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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Only on America would people bitch about giving people a chance not to have theft on their records.

    Actually, its considered extortion in all countries that followed the British legal tradition. The classic phrase original found in Canada, New Zealand and other former colonies was.

    With intent to extort or gain anything accusing or threatening to accuse a person, whether the person accused or threatened with accusation is guilty or not

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    A booming business model. Money is rolling in.
    Then a data base of who signed up. Wonder how that is used?
    I dont know that it needs to be public, unless shoplifting arrests/convictions already are.

    But it should also be subject to being placed on ones record as well, even if not as a conviction.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Silly comparison that doesn't work here. Your neighbor is involved in a continuing crime that you have offered to keep silent about for payment. That makes you guilty of conspiracy and makes you part of the crime.
    No its not. It doesn't matter if he destroys the plants afterward. It does matter if you simply keep your mouth and don't ask for money. The crime is when you threaten someone with a criminal accusation in return for money.


    In the case of the retailer, in lieu of pressing charges they offer the thief a low cost way of going forth and sinning no more. A good lawyer and the court costs are going to cost you (and the system, IE all of us) more than that. Not to mention the continuing drag on your life that a theft conviction causes.
    Its always cheaper to the pay blackmailer than face criminal penalties, that doesn't change the law.

    When the court gives someone a break by giving them drug diversion rather than jail and/or huge fine the offender pays for that too. Same concept.
    Courts are granted that authority under the constitution and required to uphold the rights of the accused. Retailers aren't.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    They arent demanding money. They are giving people choices. Prior to the course option there was no choice. nabbed for shoplifting-deal with the law. Now, nabbed for shoplifting, deal with the law or accept a low cost alternative that is superior to the retailer, law enforcement, and a perpetrator.
    Thats how I see it.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Every blackmailer offers their victim a choice. So do protection rackets, sex slavers and a million other criminals. If you think the person is guilty of a crime, you can report to the police. You can't use their vulnerability to steal money from them.

    Lets suppose you find your neighbor is growing marijuana plants in his apartment. You want to call the cops, perfectly legal. If you go to your neighbor and ask him for 500 bucks to keep your mouth shut, that is extortion.
    Your poutrage is just plain goofy. Retailers have an obligation to their survival and in fact their customer base to curb shoplifting. Prior to this option people were nabbed and had to deal with the police. Now they are given a choice. They are given their legal rights and shown a video explaining their choices. Frankly...your butthurt poutrage at this is just stupid. But I would recommend if you are ever in this situation (all the more comical because it is entirely unlikely you ever WILL be) then you should tell them to kiss your ass and take your shot with the cops. You go, boy...that'll show them they cant **** around with you.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Actually, its considered extortion in all countries that followed the British legal tradition. The classic phrase original found in Canada, New Zealand and other former colonies was.
    We are both in Ca. Here, if you get a speeding ticket you can opt to take an online course and pay a fee-this will prevent it from being reported to your insurance, meaning you may well save money.

    The alternative is a fine AND increased insurance costs.

    Are you saying thats extortion?

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Actually, its considered extortion in all countries that followed the British legal tradition. The classic phrase original found in Canada, New Zealand and other former colonies was.
    A nonsense reading of that to be sure. Shoplifting is a huge problem for retailers, right up there with employee theft. The threat isn't to accuse, but to press charges. And here's a clue for you, the police show up, the first thing they ask for is the video. We're not talking about innocent folks here, but thieves caught in the act given a chance to go forth and sin no more.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont know that it needs to be public, unless shoplifting arrests/convictions already are.

    But it should also be subject to being placed on ones record as well, even if not as a conviction.
    The database could be used for repeat offenders?
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Thoughts are?
    Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishment

    Imagine you池e browsing at Bloomingdale痴 when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting. He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options. The first involves him calling the police, who might arrest you and take you to jail. The second allows you to walk out of the store immediately, no questions asked羊ight after you sign an admission of guilt and agree to pay $320 to take an online course designed to make you never want to steal again.

    Which would you choose?
    Most of the Shoplifting that occurs in my neck of the woods is done by teams of Hispanic Illegal immigrants who go store to store racking up substantial piles of merchandise.

    When caught it looks like the Police are having a garage sale in the park lot of the last store they hit with piles of clithes and merchandise pulled out of their cars.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Your poutrage is just plain goofy. Retailers have an obligation to their survival and in fact their customer base to curb shoplifting. Prior to this option people were nabbed and had to deal with the police. Now they are given a choice. They are given their legal rights and shown a video explaining their choices. Frankly...your butthurt poutrage at this is just stupid. But I would recommend if you are ever in this situation (all the more comical because it is entirely unlikely you ever WILL be) then you should tell them to kiss your ass and take your shot with the cops. You go, boy...that'll show them they cant **** around with you.

    FM
    I posted the law which very clearly states that demanding money in return for not accusing someone of a crime is illegal. All you have done is explain whine about unfair it is that your corporate masters are criticized for breaking the law.

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