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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    The private entity isn't the ones making the money off the program. A third party is. All the stores are doing is saving the hassle of having to send people to court to testify against you.
    The store gets a 40 dollar kickback. Furthermore, having the third party receive most of the money doesn't change the legality of the situation at all. Its quite common in most extortion rackets to give most of the cut to the higher ups.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
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    Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishment

    Imagine you池e browsing at Bloomingdale痴 when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting. He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options. The first involves him calling the police, who might arrest you and take you to jail. The second allows you to walk out of the store immediately, no questions asked羊ight after you sign an admission of guilt and agree to pay $320 to take an online course designed to make you never want to steal again.

    Which would you choose?
    I like it. I of course am not a thief and therefore would fight any accusation, with the police involved.

    But if I was a thug, this creates more options for me, while lessening the strain on law enforcement.

    The only thing I would change is that the fine would have to be paid before the person left the store, and if not-the police would be called. Likewise if the online course was not completed by a certain date the police would be called and the deal would be off.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    I believe shoplifiting would require someone to leave the store with merchandise. Browsing hardly fits the definition.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I like it. I of course am not a thief and therefore would fight any accusation, with the police involved.

    But if I was a thug, this creates more options for me, while lessening the strain on law enforcement.

    The only thing I would change is that the fine would have to be paid before the person left the store, and if not-the police would be called. Likewise if the online course was not completed by a certain date the police would be called and the deal would be off.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    If you actually concealed merchandise, you would just be another mouthy person talking about their rights from behind cell doors.
    I wouldn't actually concealed merchandise (or as is more commonly stated, "steal"), but a call to a lawyer earlier is always better than later.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Demanding money by threatening to accuse someone of a crime is called extortion. Lets look at California law.


    518. Extortion is the obtaining of property from another, with his
    consent
    , or the obtaining of an official act of a public officer,
    induced by a wrongful use of force or fear, or under color of
    official right.


    519. Fear, such as will constitute extortion, may be induced by a
    threat of any of the following:
    1. To do an unlawful injury to the person or property of the
    individual threatened or of a third person.
    2. To accuse the individual threatened, or a relative of his or
    her, or a member of his or her family, of a crime.
    They arent demanding money. They are giving people choices. Prior to the course option there was no choice. nabbed for shoplifting-deal with the law. Now, nabbed for shoplifting, deal with the law or accept a low cost alternative that is superior to the retailer, law enforcement, and a perpetrator.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The store gets a 40 dollar kickback. Furthermore, having the third party receive most of the money doesn't change the legality of the situation at all. Its quite common in most extortion rackets to give most of the cut to the higher ups.
    Only on America would people bitch about giving people a chance not to have theft on their records.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I wouldn't actually concealed merchandise (or as is more commonly stated, "steal"), but a call to a lawyer earlier is always better than later.
    If you are busted for shoplifting, you are better off to take the deal. Keeps it off your record and by the time they add in fines/costs and even a crap public defender, you are closing in on their course cost.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    They arent demanding money. They are giving people choices. Prior to the course option there was no choice. nabbed for shoplifting-deal with the law. Now, nabbed for shoplifting, deal with the law or accept a low cost alternative that is superior to the retailer, law enforcement, and a perpetrator.
    Every blackmailer offers their victim a choice. So do protection rackets, sex slavers and a million other criminals. If you think the person is guilty of a crime, you can report to the police. You can't use their vulnerability to steal money from them.

    Lets suppose you find your neighbor is growing marijuana plants in his apartment. You want to call the cops, perfectly legal. If you go to your neighbor and ask him for 500 bucks to keep your mouth shut, that is extortion.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Every blackmailer offers their victim a choice. So do protection rackets, sex slavers and a million other criminals. If you think the person is guilty of a crime, you can report to the police. You can't use their vulnerability to steal money from them.

    Lets suppose you find your neighbor is growing marijuana plants in his apartment. You want to call the cops, perfectly legal. If you go to your neighbor and ask him for 500 bucks to keep your mouth shut, that is extortion.
    Silly comparison that doesn't work here. Your neighbor is involved in a continuing crime that you have offered to keep silent about for payment. That makes you guilty of conspiracy and makes you part of the crime.

    In the case of the retailer, in lieu of pressing charges they offer the thief a low cost way of going forth and sinning no more. A good lawyer and the court costs are going to cost you (and the system, IE all of us) more than that. Not to mention the continuing drag on your life that a theft conviction causes.

    When the court gives someone a break by giving them drug diversion rather than jail and/or huge fine the offender pays for that too. Same concept.

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