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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ooooooh!!! The poutrage!!!

    People are given a choice. Take a course or call the cops. They are shown a video which explains their rights and gives them the absolute right to call the cops and to have a lawyer. Then they are given a choice. 20,000 to date have considered the options, their own actions, and chosen to take them up on an option that avoids a record and that the preliminary study indicates has resulted in a 1% recidivism rate as per the story.

    Take door number two...by all means. Have the store call the cops (which they would normally do). Get arrested, booked, tried, sentenced. Odds are pretty strong that if they approach you they already have enough evidence to convict. So accept your penalty and your nice shiny new criminal record.
    Demanding money by threatening to accuse someone of a crime is called extortion. Lets look at California law.


    518. Extortion is the obtaining of property from another, with his
    consent
    , or the obtaining of an official act of a public officer,
    induced by a wrongful use of force or fear, or under color of
    official right.


    519. Fear, such as will constitute extortion, may be induced by a
    threat of any of the following:
    1. To do an unlawful injury to the person or property of the
    individual threatened or of a third person.
    2. To accuse the individual threatened, or a relative of his or
    her, or a member of his or her family, of a crime.

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    Yall are hung up too much on the "but I didn't do it and I'll sue" part of the scenario. How about you consider the fact that yes, a person walked into a store and shoplifted. Should they be given the option to pay, or no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Yall are hung up too much on the "but I didn't do it and I'll sue" part of the scenario. How about you consider the fact that yes, a person walked into a store and shoplifted. Should they be given the option to pay, or no?
    The question is should the person be extorted and the answer is no. If the store wants justice, they can call the police. If they want to let the guy go, that is their call. What they can't do is shake the guy down for 320 bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The question is should the person be extorted and the answer is no. If the store wants justice, they can call the police. If they want to let the guy go, that is their call. What they can't do is shake the guy down for 320 bucks.
    It's not extortion if the person actually did the shoplifting. It's giving them a chance to pay a fine and not get put in the system.

    If they actually didn't shoplift, that's one thing. That being said, there aren't too many stores willing to pay an enormous fine over a false accusation of shoplifting. I guarantee you that Bloomingdales has cameras everywhere, have people who sit and watch said cameras, and have hired goons walking the stores to catch those seen on the cameras red-handed. What they don't have are idiots running around, accusing people of shoplifting when they have no proof. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    This isn't about ****ing kidnapping. The reason the individual is taken to a back room is so that 1) They can be confronted with evidence that they were shoplifting 2) be given a choice to either pay for the merchandise or return it to the store and 3) if some type of confrontation or dispute arises it doesn't become a spectacle for the whole store to see. It isn't like detaining someone in a jail cell.
    Seems like kidnapping to me.

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    Since I don't shoplift and they would wrongly accuse me, I'd make such a racket that they would immediately apologize and let me go.
    Next I'd involve the local news, cell phone video in hand, and make sure they never harass anyone else ever again.
    Catch shoplifters, leave honest folks be.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    How about you consider the fact that yes, a person walked into a store and shoplifted. Should they be given the option to pay, or no?
    No, because chances are it isn't their first or their last.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    It's not extortion if the person actually did the shoplifting.
    Yes it is. Extortion doesn't change regardless of whether the victim committed a crime or not. Blackmailing the guilty is still illegal.

    It's giving them a chance to pay a fine and not get put in the system.
    A fine is a legal payment made in accordance with laws, not a shakedown from a private entity.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Yes it is. Extortion doesn't change regardless of whether the victim committed a crime or not. Blackmailing the guilty is still illegal.



    A fine is a legal payment made in accordance with laws, not a shakedown from a private entity.
    The private entity isn't the ones making the money off the program. A third party is. All the stores are doing is saving the hassle of having to send people to court to testify against you.
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