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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Personally from my experience this has never been a problem - these things don't even usually get that far. There is a really good way for any individual to prove their guilt or innocence, and that is to empty pockets/bags/purses. If you have no unpaid-for merchandise on your person, then the store would be hard-pressed to file charges against you - it's simply not worth their time and effort to do so.
    I guess in my mind I was thinking of a couple of times in my life when I've done admittedly stupid things that could get me in trouble if someone was looking at exactly the wrong time. I've put little items in a pocket to free up my hands while looking at something else. I've sometimes used a big shopping bag with paid for items like a cart in stores - using it to temporarily put stuff I DO buy, but that I can't hold in my hands while looking - e.g. four pairs of socks while I'm looking at a pair of pants or a shirt.

    Heck, there have been a number of times in my adult life (5 or 10?) when I've gotten outside a store with items I didn't pay for - the times I remember it is when I have a big item, like a bag of dog food, or bag of mulch, that the person scans with the hand thing, but that is sitting on top of, say, dog collar or a nozzle for a hose or 3 bags of screws. I get out to the car, find out, crap!, that I didn't pay, then walk back in and have it rung up.

    But I expect in the vast majority of times the person taking the deal is probably better off. To be honest, if I was caught in some of those cases above, I'd probably thankfully accept the $320 as a stupidity tax, even though I haven't intended to shoplift since I was about 10 and remember lifting a candy bar from a convenience store....

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Tell him to call the police, I call my lawyer and tell him we have a misdemeanor charge from Bloomingdales to make the store and police look bad and a very juicy civil suit for at least 20 million as well as possible defamation charges. And I make sure the person who brought me into the room and the person watching through the camera can hear and see everything, as well as I'd spell the name of the law firm.

    I'd then watch this guard break out into a sweat, let them give me store credit and kiss my ass and STILL file a civil lawsuit as well as make sure the lawyer subpoena's the video from my "questioning".
    If you actually concealed merchandise, you would just be another mouthy person talking about their rights from behind cell doors.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    What's scary is that no requirements are mentioned for running a shopper's name thru a database for the background check. That requires a SSN I believe. THis all assumes that store managers, security guards, etc are scrupulously honest and wont abuse that info...they could drag anyone in there on a made up charge JUST to get that info for fraud or blackmail purposes later.

    Is your buddy a security guard at Target? Want to mess with your ex-wife? Ex-girlfriend or boyfriend?

    Sorry, people that work in retail are no different than anyone else. Plenty of jerks and dishonest people. No way should they have that kind of access.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I guess in my mind I was thinking of a couple of times in my life when I've done admittedly stupid things that could get me in trouble if someone was looking at exactly the wrong time. I've put little items in a pocket to free up my hands while looking at something else. I've sometimes used a big shopping bag with paid for items like a cart in stores - using it to temporarily put stuff I DO buy, but that I can't hold in my hands while looking - e.g. four pairs of socks while I'm looking at a pair of pants or a shirt.

    Heck, there have been a number of times in my adult life (5 or 10?) when I've gotten outside a store with items I didn't pay for - the times I remember it is when I have a big item, like a bag of dog food, or bag of mulch, that the person scans with the hand thing, but that is sitting on top of, say, dog collar or a nozzle for a hose or 3 bags of screws. I get out to the car, find out, crap!, that I didn't pay, then walk back in and have it rung up.

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    Interesting, I'm 54 and never done any of those things.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Interesting, I'm 54 and never done any of those things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Good for you. Want a lollipop?
    I just didnt want there to be the idea that your actions are common.

    Maybe they are, maybe they arent.

    IMO they arent and shouldnt be used to excuse behavior if caught.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    But a lot less than the financial damage that would result from a conviction or even mounting a decent defense. Many states have laws only requiring proof that you removed an item from its immediarte place of display and did not pay for it. Perhaps you pick up a bag of socks (on aisle #2) and then find another that you prefer (on aislke #4) and swap them. Even though you did not intend to keep the initial item you "concealed" it by simply (re?)moving it to aisle #4.
    I don't disagree that the laws are stupid, but they at least are bound by constitutional restrictions.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I just didnt want there to be the idea that your actions are common.

    Maybe they are, maybe they arent.

    IMO they arent and shouldnt be used to excuse behavior if caught.
    What can I say - I said they were "admittedly stupid" and then that I'd accept getting caught and paying the $320 as a "stupidity tax" - so it's pretty clear I wasn't recommending or condoning what I've done. But sometimes we all do stupid things - or I do at least!

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What can I say - I said they were "admittedly stupid" and then that I'd accept getting caught and paying the $320 as a "stupidity tax" - so it's pretty clear I wasn't recommending or condoning what I've done. But sometimes we all do stupid things - or I do at least!
    Agreed. We all do.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I guess in my mind I was thinking of a couple of times in my life when I've done admittedly stupid things that could get me in trouble if someone was looking at exactly the wrong time. I've put little items in a pocket to free up my hands while looking at something else. I've sometimes used a big shopping bag with paid for items like a cart in stores - using it to temporarily put stuff I DO buy, but that I can't hold in my hands while looking - e.g. four pairs of socks while I'm looking at a pair of pants or a shirt.

    Heck, there have been a number of times in my adult life (5 or 10?) when I've gotten outside a store with items I didn't pay for - the times I remember it is when I have a big item, like a bag of dog food, or bag of mulch, that the person scans with the hand thing, but that is sitting on top of, say, dog collar or a nozzle for a hose or 3 bags of screws. I get out to the car, find out, crap!, that I didn't pay, then walk back in and have it rung up.

    But I expect in the vast majority of times the person taking the deal is probably better off. To be honest, if I was caught in some of those cases above, I'd probably thankfully accept the $320 as a stupidity tax, even though I haven't intended to shoplift since I was about 10 and remember lifting a candy bar from a convenience store....
    I agree in a lot of cases it's simply not worth my time money and effort to go to court to contest a traffic ticket or something of the sort.

    To elaborate, at my retail store we don't try to apprehend the individual until they try to leave the store with the unpaid-for merchandise, so simply pocketing an item is something that we might catch on camera and be suspicious of, but we won't actually stop someone until they try to leave the store.
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