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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's just not true anymore. In fact having cameras brings down the cost of insurance. They pay for themselves.
    True....Even the small regional chains are now investing in the camera systems,

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Based on the theft they prevent, it's most often more expensive not to install and maintain the surveillance system.....not to mention the frivolous lawsuits they can prevent. One crook walking into a store and staging a fall can cost the business more then the cost of installing a good surveillance system. And there are also specialized systems that address theft by store employees.
    Good cameras and their systems are not cheap. Multiple angles needed. People who steal are not stupid, well not all of them.
    I work with security cameras,I am only going by personal experience.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Good cameras and their systems are not cheap. Multiple angles needed. People who steal are not stupid, well not all of them.
    I work with security cameras,I am only going by personal experience.
    I work with security cameras as well. And from personal experience, I can assure you that it is more expensive not to put the systems in then it is to put them in. The smart thieves tend to look for soft targets. The stupid thieves do not look for cameras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I work with security cameras as well. And from personal experience, I can assure you that it is more expensive not to put the systems in then it is to put them in. The smart thieves tend to look for soft targets. The stupid thieves do not look for cameras.
    Facility I am at is 1/2 million sq ft. It depends upon the product monitored and how much a company is willing to spend.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Actually if you have hidden the merchandise on your person...such as tossing it in your pocket, purse, and other areas, that's evidence enough.
    Sorry, but the multi-billion $ corporation of Wal-Mart disagrees with you...
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Sorry, but the multi-billion $ corporation of Wal-Mart disagrees with you...
    That's because Walmart has lost tons of lawsuits over stupid things they've done. That's why they don't go chasing people into the parking lot to see their receipt anymore, the courts have found that there is no obligation whatsoever to prove you bought what is in your cart. Walmart learned from hard experience.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Facility I am at is 1/2 million sq ft. It depends upon the product monitored and how much a company is willing to spend.
    For that much square footage.....I concede that the system would be expensive.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Thoughts are?
    Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishment

    Imagine you池e browsing at Bloomingdale痴 when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting. He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options. The first involves him calling the police, who might arrest you and take you to jail. The second allows you to walk out of the store immediately, no questions asked羊ight after you sign an admission of guilt and agree to pay $320 to take an online course designed to make you never want to steal again.

    Which would you choose?
    Let me address this simply and easily.

    For the most part, to detain an individual for shoplifting, the following 5 steps must be observed by an individual (either employee, owner, ot store security) before the apprehension (arrest) can be made.

    1. Approach the item
    2. Select the item
    3. Conceal the item (this one can be skipped, not alll shoplifters conceal the items they steal)
    4. Pass all points of purchase
    5. Exit the store

    Now almost nowhere do stores detain an individual inside of the store, they all wait until they exit the store. This is to prevent the claim that they "were going to pay". Once you leave, that is it. Nobody can claim they were going to pay once they leave.

    As for the course, this has little to nothing to do with them being turned over to the police or not. This actually falls under the laws about Merchant Rights and Civil Restitution. In short, the individual if the store has this kind of program gives up the civil restitution allowed by the state (in California it is from $50 to $500) and instead takes a course intended to help deter the individual from stealing again.

    Qualify and take the course, and there is no criminal record. Refuse, and the store can either have you pay them the civil restitution, or have you arrested and still have you pay the civil restitution. But if some guard came up to me inside the store and tried to charge me with shoplifting, then they had better have a good attorney, because I for one know much more then most about shoplifting law, and what they can and can not do.

    But to give an idea, this almost never happens. In over 7 months of working Loss Prevention (basically professional shoplifter catcher), I have had hundreds of detainments, and only a single "bad stop". Sorry, but your scenario is questionable at best.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    I prefer to buy online so it isn't really an issue for me.

    About the only time I really visit a physical store is a supermarket.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingHippos View Post
    I prefer to buy online so it isn't really an issue for me.

    About the only time I really visit a physical store is a supermarket.
    And your point here is?

    I work in Loss Prevention. And every store I work in is a supermarket.

    One of the local stores I work in has an average monthly alcohol theft rate of over $55,000 per month. Just a couple of days ago I stopped a guy trying to steal over $400 worth of meat. I have had single stops of over $1,100, and had single day recoveries of over $2,400 worth of merchandise.

    All in grocery stores.

    And one of the store chains I work at does participate in this program. But grocery stores are common targets for boosters (professional shoplifters). The merchandise inside is easy to sell, impossible to trace, and is frequently of high value and completely unserialized.

    Steal a TV from the local chain store, and the cops can trace the serial number right back to the exact store it came from (and when they got it, and often the date it was stolen). Steal a backpack of batteries or baby formula from the local grocery store, and there is nothing to trace back to where it came from.
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