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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I would dare them to call the cops and then sue them for false arrest as I do not shoplift.
    And as explained already you wouldn't be in the situation to begin with. They've already spotted the person on camera and in person hiding stuff on their person. Not to mention the OP article is a fair bit of bull****.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The article did a good job laying out the problem. Assuming I was actually innocent, it's still not a no-brainer to fight the charge. If the police did file charges, it would cost far more than the $320 to fight it assuming the risk of conviction was zero. You'd burn through that with the first phone call to a decent attorney. The possibility of $5,000 or $10,000 in attorney fees wouldn't bankrupt me so I could afford the risk and not suffer any change in lifestyle, but that's not true if you're poor.

    It all depends on whether the retailers are operating in good faith. If they are, and the article offered no evidence they were making spurious allegations, then there probably is little downside, and lots of petty criminals avoid a very damaging hit on their record for no more than a speeding ticket in lots of jurisdictions.

    FWIW, the traffic court in my area poses the same risks - if you're ticketed, it really doesn't pay to fight the ticket for 99% or so. My last one was total BS, but the fine was $100, I plead no contest, the judge put me on 3 month traffic "probation" and it stayed off my driving record. If I'd plead 'not guilty' it's my word against the police, and if found guilty I'd owe another $500 in 'court costs' for the 'trial' AND have a hit on my driving record. I was IMO completely innocent, but I paid the fine - no brainer. I'm not sure why I wouldn't take the $320 cost in this case for the same reasons, even if innocent.
    How about signing the paper claiming guilt?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    What if you are innocent???? Not familiar with the law. Ya think these Security Officers are all well trained.
    Next- Waiting for you to prove I hate capitalism or you could man up and apologize or retract it.
    Over to you.
    There is no safe harbor for the stupid. And if you're that stupid you're going to be taken advantage of by every conman you run across. No avoiding that.

    But again, if you're innocent, then you're not a shoplifter and shouldn't admit to being one. That's what your day in court is for. Just like any other crime you're accused of and are innocent of. It's called life, **** happens, you deal with it appropriately.

    And you're confused. I didn't say you hated capitalism, that was another poster.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    There is no safe harbor for the stupid. And if you're that stupid you're going to be taken advantage of by every conman you run across. No avoiding that.

    But again, if you're innocent, then you're not a shoplifter and shouldn't admit to being one. That's what your day in court is for. Just like any other crime you're accused of and are innocent of. It's called life, **** happens, you deal with it appropriately.

    And you're confused. I didn't say you hated capitalism, that was another poster.


    So let's say you live in the states I provided links to above, and to troll the store security, you put something in your pocket (with no intent to actually leave with it)

    are you innocent, or not?

    statute says no.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Yall are hung up too much on the "but I didn't do it and I'll sue" part of the scenario. How about you consider the fact that yes, a person walked into a store and shoplifted. Should they be given the option to pay, or no?
    I caught that, too, and I think some are a little over confident that their lawsuit would be successful.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    IP cameras and the systems to run and maintain are expensive.
    Normally store focus on high value goods. Cost benefit and what is being stolen by customers. Then again, up to 70 % of theft can be internal, by employes.
    Not sure about the US but up north, razor blades, brand name are pricey.
    If you go to a flea market, you will see these very same blades sold for a low price.
    Same with cosmetics.
    Same with spices. Certain spice can be quite pricey.
    That's just not true anymore. In fact having cameras brings down the cost of insurance. They pay for themselves.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We are both in Ca. Here, if you get a speeding ticket you can opt to take an online course and pay a fee-this will prevent it from being reported to your insurance, meaning you may well save money.

    The alternative is a fine AND increased insurance costs.

    Are you saying thats extortion?
    In California you cannot take a driving course for any and all tickets. You're limited to something like 1 every 3 or 5 years. Any additional tickets in between go against your record.

    Plus, while most counties allow online classes, there are still a handful of counties that are old-school hold-outs and make you take an in-person class.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    That will get you sued eventually. Until you leave the store, you haven't stolen anything and detaining someone in that manner is not legal.
    Shoplifting can be based upon concealing goods within a store such as in your pockets or within bags. The prosecution would still have to prove you had the intent to steal the property, but this can be proven by circumstantial evidence. Dropping the bags and attempting to leave when confronted could additionally be viewed as consciousness of guilt.
    Is it considered shoplifting if I don't leave the premises of the store with anything in hand? - Avvo.com

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    First off, sounds like a good shakedown, though I recall some people saying this used to be standard practice back in the day.

    Second, you never... ever... go into their private room with them. If they want to call the police, they are free to do so, but being whisked out of public view is not in my interests.

    Third, never sign anything.

    As has been mentioned, stores are hamstrung by what they can legally accuse you of, so this just enhances my suspicion that this would be a shakedown... they have no real proof.
    Thank you for that wonderful advice for those who are guilty of shoplifting. I'm sure the thieves will profit greatly by it. And it's only a possible shakedown if you're a thief. If you're innocent they in all likelihood wouldn't be standing there talking with you in the first place.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Thank you for that wonderful advice for those who are guilty of shoplifting. I'm sure the thieves will profit greatly by it. And it's only a possible shakedown if you're a thief. If you're innocent they in all likelihood wouldn't be standing there talking with you in the first place.
    you just provided a link claiming the opposite.

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