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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    that's what I was going to say. You can't just accuse someone of shoplifting without proof.

    Now if you are really shoplifting, then I think it's a good idea. It will give you a chance to fix things, without it possibly ruining your life.
    Virtually all department stores these days have an excellent video surveillance system. If someone does shoplift, they will have video evidence of it. Not to mention you can be caught with the goods in your posession. If they lack evidence and call the cops....God help them in court.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    When I worked in retail, back in my highschool days - yes, they had highschool back then - it was common for someone who was caught shoplifting to be given the choice of paying for the goods they were accused of stealing and being banned from the store in the future, or they could sit back while the store contacted the police. Pretty much everyone who could afford to paid for the stolen goods.

    As with most things in life, those who can ill afford to get in trouble have the hardest time getting out of trouble. Lots of times little junior called home and mom or dad came down with the credit card and got junior off the hook. But if mom and dad are working or have no money, junior gets in the system.

    As for the situation outlined in the OP, it's a make money crock, in my opinion, at best, and at worst it is extortion and should be punishable with jail time.
    That's pretty much the same system in effect in most stores now in the US. Although those who shoplift repeatedly will likely get the cops called on them immediately. Even that is just a misdemeanor. If they are dumb enough to scuffle with the store personell or security guard when they get caught red handed...then they get a felony assault charge added....turning an overnight jail stay into 90 days.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

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    Virtually all department stores these days have an excellent video surveillance system. If someone does shoplift, they will have video evidence of it. Not to mention you can be caught with the goods in your posession. If they lack evidence and call the cops....God help them in court.
    IP cameras and the systems to run and maintain are expensive.
    Normally store focus on high value goods. Cost benefit and what is being stolen by customers. Then again, up to 70 % of theft can be internal, by employes.
    Not sure about the US but up north, razor blades, brand name are pricey.
    If you go to a flea market, you will see these very same blades sold for a low price.
    Same with cosmetics.
    Same with spices. Certain spice can be quite pricey.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    [QUOTE=Cephus;1064371516]Which is really ridiculous because there are hundreds of "shoplifters" every day. You can't go into a store and not find product spread all over the place by idiots who pick it up and change their mind later. I don't think you could ever find a single judge that would find any of that actionable./QUOTE]

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Another example of crappy journalism...

    The little scenario that the article describes would get a business sued. You haven't stolen anything until you leave the store. You can stash a tube lipstick in our bra, a CD down your pants and a 42" flat screen in stroller (if you have a big enough baby), but until you walk out that door, you haven't stolen anything. The article makes it sound like they can stop you in the store and take you away and that will get a business sued in about 3 seconds.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Allow me to give you some insights from first hand experience. As an inventory associate I often have to cover the asset protection specialist (usually the guy who stands up at the front) when he goes on break or for some other reason is unavailable. In our training videos, if we witness shoplifting, we are to confront the customer before they attempt to exit the store and apprehend them ("apprehend" not in a legal sense but just having a firm physical grip on the individual), and then lead them to the back room (usually the asset protection office where all the surveillance and video equipment is). I would say the vast majority of the time people choose to comply - if they don't, we try to prevent them from leaving the store until we can get the police involved.
    That will get you sued eventually. Until you leave the store, you haven't stolen anything and detaining someone in that manner is not legal.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    That will get you sued eventually. Until you leave the store, you haven't stolen anything and detaining someone in that manner is not legal.
    https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/leg...0+cod+18.2-103

    http://www.shopliftingprevention.org...plifting-laws/

    ??
    a 60 second google search seems to provide at least 2 states where your claims are false.

    I would suspect a lot more.
    http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal...oplifting.html
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    That will get you sued eventually. Until you leave the store, you haven't stolen anything and detaining someone in that manner is not legal.
    In my example the customer is detained when it is clear they are heading for the exits without having paid for merchandise.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    In my example the customer is detained when it is clear they are heading for the exits without having paid for merchandise.
    after a 1 minute google search invalidating his claims..........

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

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    Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishment

    Imagine you池e browsing at Bloomingdale痴 when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting. He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options. The first involves him calling the police, who might arrest you and take you to jail. The second allows you to walk out of the store immediately, no questions asked羊ight after you sign an admission of guilt and agree to pay $320 to take an online course designed to make you never want to steal again.

    Which would you choose?
    First off, sounds like a good shakedown, though I recall some people saying this used to be standard practice back in the day.

    Second, you never... ever... go into their private room with them. If they want to call the police, they are free to do so, but being whisked out of public view is not in my interests.

    Third, never sign anything.

    As has been mentioned, stores are hamstrung by what they can legally accuse you of, so this just enhances my suspicion that this would be a shakedown... they have no real proof.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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