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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You are the one that has stuff all twisted, son. What is being represented in the OP is what happens when someone that is actually committing the crime of shoplifting gets caught.
    "Imagine you’re browsing at Bloomingdale’s when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting."
    No mention of any guilty activity.

    "He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options."
    None here, either, just a remarkable sheep-like obedience on the part of the imaginary protagonist.
    If you want to talk about someone who actually shoplifts, fine, the program discussed is probably a good option but that's another topic. Like I said, I'd love to be confronted in the aisles of a store and accused of stealing, before I've stolen anything, as outlined in the original post.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There is nothing in the article about innocent people being coerced. Its just typical ohmigerdmahrights!!!mahrights!!! bull**** overreaction to a program that actually HELPS people caught shoplifting avoid a criminal record. Sadly...Im betting there are people stupid enough to actually choose the criminal route even after they have been caught shoplifting KNOWING they have been caught shoplifting. The ironic part is there is NO coercion and people that are caught ABSOLUTELY have the right to choose door a...arrest and criminal prosecution.
    The whole first paragraph illustrates an innocent person being coerced.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    "Imagine you’re browsing at Bloomingdale’s when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting."
    No mention of any guilty activity.

    "He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options."
    None here, either, just a remarkable sheep-like obedience on the part of the imaginary protagonist.
    If you want to talk about someone who actually shoplifts, fine, the program discussed is probably a good option but that's another topic. Like I said, I'd love to be confronted in the aisles of a store and accused of stealing, before I've stolen anything, as outlined in the original post.
    Read the links I just posted.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    First of all I would not go anywhere with the security guard and they can call anybody they want to as I stand there having stolen nothing.

    Second, I don't see anywhere in that article (though I skimmed it) where it talked about innocent people being coerced...
    The first-paragraph scenario is about an innocent person being coerced.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Read the links I just posted.
    Read the first paragraph in the OP and tell me what the person is guilty of.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    I'm only shocked that anyone goes to a physical store these days. Even my groceries i usually get online

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No, I am not wrong. From your own article:

    Before detaining anyone, you must establish Shoplifting Probable Cause. To establish a solid base for probable cause and prevent false arrest claims, there are six universally accepted steps that a merchant should follow before deciding to stop someone suspected of shoplifting:

    You must see the shoplifter approach your merchandise
    You must see the shoplifter select your merchandise
    You must see the shoplifter conceal or carry away or convert your merchandise
    You must maintain continuous observation the shoplifter
    You must see the shoplifter fail to pay for the merchandise
    You must approach the shoplifter outside of the store


    A security guard can NOT just walk up to you and detain you... sorry.
    But that wasn't what I responded to. You seem to think any detention is illegal. The proper and legal response to the situation you pose here is to call or have the police called to deal with the matter. The police will tell you if there are charges being pressed, what they are and if you are under arrest. If not, the you have a nifty lawsuit on your hands and the security guard is out of a job.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Read the first paragraph in the OP and tell me what the person is guilty of.
    Read the article. They are not talking about grabbing random strangers and coercing and extorting them. That you believe that is stupid beyond belief. No...I take it back...Ive seen enough here to believe just about anything. Lets just stick with its just plain old ****ing stupid.

    This program is about taking some of the 1.5 million people nabbed for shoplifting and giving them a chance to avoid a criminal record.

    And you are honest to God against that? Good. Should you or anyone you know ever get nailed for shoplifting because...you know...you are actually shoplifting, you make sure you tell them to kiss your ass and call the cops. Brilliant.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Read the first paragraph in the OP and tell me what the person is guilty of.
    Well, you aren't required to volunteer any of that information in that instance, simply say, "call the police or I will". That particular hypothetical person is a dumbass. However, the article goes out of it's way to shield the fact they are not talking about innocent people. If you are found to have the store's merchandise secreted about your body, in some states that is a crime. In others, they just trespass you from the store.

    Also, shoplifters in Bloomies are likely to have foil lined pockets, showing intent.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    OMG did not wrap Quotes. I am sure Chicken Little is in your view. Time to duck.

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    Thoughts are? Is my commentary -
    Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishment

    Imagine you’re browsing at Bloomingdale’s when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting. He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options. The first involves him calling the police, who might arrest you and take you to jail. The second allows you to walk out of the store immediately, no questions asked—right after you sign an admission of guilt and agree to pay $320 to take an online course designed to make you never want to steal again.

    Which would you choose?
    So repeating the lie accomplishes what? It makes it sound like an innocent person is simply browsing at Bloomingdale's, and is wrongly accused of shoplifting. Not the case. Why do libs always feel the need to lie to forward their agenda?

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