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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
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    Imagine you池e browsing at Bloomingdale痴 when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting. He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options. The first involves him calling the police, who might arrest you and take you to jail. The second allows you to walk out of the store immediately, no questions asked羊ight after you sign an admission of guilt and agree to pay $320 to take an online course designed to make you never want to steal again.

    Which would you choose?
    You're not shoplifting until you walk out the door so the store is in a world of trouble in this scenario.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    You're not shoplifting until you walk out the door so the store is in a world of trouble in this scenario.
    Fill your pockets if you want- just empty them at the cash register.
    Depends upon jurisdiction from what i found on a quick look.
    Person hiding goods on their person and leaving that area, while still in the store could be charged with shoplifting. Jurisdictions differ?

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm guessing that, until you've left the store? You've done nothing wrong. It's not against the law to stuff a blouse under your shirt. If it is? Please point me to the statute.
    Maggie...please tell me you dont believe the stores dont fully understand their role and job when it comes to theft recovery.

    This whole poutrage thing is just ridiculous. People get caught shoplifting all the time. They dont get caught because the store is running around looking to extort innocent people. They get caught because they have been...you know...SHOPLIFTING. Nothing has changed. The store is still responsible for their rules and for their theft protection services. All that has changed is that WHEN someone has been caught shoplifting they are given a choice. INSTEAD of automatically having the cops called, they can opt for a class. They can still fight it if they believe they are innocent.

    If you were caught shoplifting...which option would you WANT to be offered?

    Its just ridiculous. People trip over themselves about this whole ohimgerd...mah rights!!!
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm guessing that, until you've left the store? You've done nothing wrong. It's not against the law to stuff a blouse under your shirt. If it is? Please point me to the statute.
    That's true, at least in Illinois. I have first hand experience with that. I had a strange feeling, so I didn't leave the store, though.. So they couldn't do much other than ban me from the store for life - Apparently it was that store's life, as they since closed (Venture).

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Maggie...please tell me you dont believe the stores dont fully understand their role and job when it comes to theft recovery.

    This whole poutrage thing is just ridiculous. People get caught shoplifting all the time. They dont get caught because the store is running around looking to extort innocent people. They get caught because they have been...you know...SHOPLIFTING. Nothing has changed. The store is still responsible for their rules and for their theft protection services. All that has changed is that WHEN someone has been caught shoplifting they are given a choice. INSTEAD of automatically having the cops called, they can opt for a class. They can still fight it if they believe they are innocent.

    If you were caught shoplifting...which option would you WANT to be offered?

    Its just ridiculous. People trip over themselves about this whole ohimgerd...mah rights!!!
    ermahgerd-gersberms-mah-fravrit-berks.jpg

    Apply logic.
    Please, God, let me be confronted in the aisles of a store and accused of shoplifting. If you really love me, let the security drone try to detain me, inside the store. I'll own the place.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    At my store we tend to have either video evidence or multiple eyewitnesses before we accuse someone of wrongdoing. Either that or catching them in the act. Accusations of shoplifting can't come out of nowhere.
    True. This is also nothing new, I knew someone from school who shoplifted from Gemco more than 30 years ago, they offered him the same deal, pay a couple hundred dollars and never step foot in one of their stores again or go to jail.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    According to a thing some guy on the internet said, they can make a citizen's arrest and detain you, but cannot search you.
    They can issue a citizen's arrest, but that relies on your willingness to go with them. If you refuse, they cannot physically detain you or you can have them charged with assault. They, and that includes the mall cops and store cops who are not licensed law enforcement personnel, have virtually no legal power.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Depends upon jurisdiction from what i found on a quick look.
    Person hiding goods on their person and leaving that area, while still in the store could be charged with shoplifting. Jurisdictions differ?

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    It's probably a bad idea for a store to go to court with only a presumption of someone's intention to support a shoplifting charge. Your second link advises store that...

    You must see the shoplifter approach the merchandise
    You must see the shoplifter select the merchandise
    You must see the shoplifter conceal, convert or carry away the merchandise
    You must maintain continuous observation of the shoplifter
    You must observe the shoplifter fail to pay for the merchandise
    You must apprehend the shoplifter outside the store

    ... and that sounds like good advice.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    But a lot less than the financial damage that would result from a conviction or even mounting a decent defense. Many states have laws only requiring proof that you removed an item from its immediarte place of display and did not pay for it. Perhaps you pick up a bag of socks (on aisle #2) and then find another that you prefer (on aislke #4) and swap them. Even though you did not intend to keep the initial item you "concealed" it by simply (re?)moving it to aisle #4.

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    Which is really ridiculous because there are hundreds of "shoplifters" every day. You can't go into a store and not find product spread all over the place by idiots who pick it up and change their mind later. I don't think you could ever find a single judge that would find any of that actionable.
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