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    Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Yo are talking about a situation where the person was shoplifting. The way the OP reads, it sounds like a scam to make money.

    The OP does not say the person being accused actually did shoplift.
    Work with me here. Lets say you are a shoplifter and you just stuffed a 90 dollar blouse under your shirt. You start to leave the store. Security caught the whole thing on camera and stop you. You are busted...why? Because you are shoplifting. You actually have the merchandise on you. They have you on video. You are busted and everyone knows it. The store security then offers you an option. 1-tehy call the police. You get arrested for shoplifting (and OBTW...you are ****ed...because...you shoplifted and you both know it), are ticketed, have a record, have to pay a fine, and have your future forever impacted because you tried to steal a $90 blouse. OR...option 2-the security guard has checked your history, found you arent a career criminal, and after advising you of your right to choose option a, seek legal counsel, etc, then gives you the choice of paying for a life skills course (with counselors and life skills coaches to help you make better future choices) for $320 and avoid an arrest and record.

    Choose.

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    Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Yo are talking about a situation where the person was shoplifting. The way the OP reads, it sounds like a scam to make money.

    The OP does not say the person being accused actually did shoplift.
    That's now how it reads to me - it seems like a private way to settle an issue without getting cops involved which is pretty much par for the course and makes things easier for all parties.

    I'm just giving you my take on it based on firsthand experience: Very rarely will stores accuse someone of shoplifting without having a good amount of proof. It's pointless to accuse someone of shoplifting when you don't have hard evidence, and even then it's pretty easy to prove someone's innocence or guilt when they are found to either have or not have stolen merchandise on their person. If someone is not actually a shoplifter, it is not in the store's interest to accuse them of such when there is so little to gain - the time and effort spent accusing an innocent person of shoplifting and trying to scam them could be much better spent actually running the ****ing store.
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    Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If they have no evidence of shoplifting and still forced you into the back room, I think that would fall under the kidnapping statute.
    You may be correct, which is why I would be placing two phone calls as quickly as possible, lawyer and the police. Of course telling my lawyer is good enough is case I wouldn't get a chance to make a second phone call.

    The whole scam is unbelievable!!

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    Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
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    Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishment

    Imagine you’re browsing at Bloomingdale’s when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting. He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options. The first involves him calling the police, who might arrest you and take you to jail. The second allows you to walk out of the store immediately, no questions asked—right after you sign an admission of guilt and agree to pay $320 to take an online course designed to make you never want to steal again.

    Which would you choose?
    Utterly dishonest article and OP. First of all, you didn't even give attribution to the article in your "opening comments". You should have wrapped quote tags around that, since you didn't write it. Secondly, the first paragraph of the article (which is where your "comments" come from, word for word), insinuates that innocent people are being extorted. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Nothing to see here folks, just another typical lib hit piece about "eeeeevil capitalist peegs".

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    Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Meadowlark View Post
    You may be correct, which is why I would be placing two phone calls as quickly as possible, lawyer and the police. Of course telling my lawyer is good enough is case I wouldn't get a chance to make a second phone call.

    The whole scam is unbelievable!!
    It's not a scam at all, they are detaining actual shoplifters and giving them the choice to not have a shoplifting charge on their record.

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    Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
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    Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishment

    Imagine you’re browsing at Bloomingdale’s when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting. He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options. The first involves him calling the police, who might arrest you and take you to jail. The second allows you to walk out of the store immediately, no questions asked—right after you sign an admission of guilt and agree to pay $320 to take an online course designed to make you never want to steal again.

    Which would you choose?
    Call the cops. I'm not signing a thing.
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    Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Work with me here. Lets say you are a shoplifter and you just stuffed a 90 dollar blouse under your shirt. You start to leave the store. Security caught the whole thing on camera and stop you. You are busted...why? Because you are shoplifting. You actually have the merchandise on you. They have you on video. You are busted and everyone knows it. The store security then offers you an option. 1-tehy call the police. You get arrested for shoplifting (and OBTW...you are ****ed...because...you shoplifted and you both know it), are ticketed, have a record, have to pay a fine, and have your future forever impacted because you tried to steal a $90 blouse. OR...option 2-the security guard has checked your history, found you arent a career criminal, and after advising you of your right to choose option a, seek legal counsel, etc, then gives you the choice of paying for a life skills course (with counselors and life skills coaches to help you make better future choices) for $320 and avoid an arrest and record.

    Choose.
    I'm guessing that, until you've left the store? You've done nothing wrong. It's not against the law to stuff a blouse under your shirt. If it is? Please point me to the statute.
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    Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Asked whether CEC takes steps to ensure that innocent people aren’t simply agreeing to pay for their courses because they’re too scared to deal with police and prosecutors, Caffaro deflected, saying that CEC has nothing to do with the approach retailers take in identifying suspects.
    “It’s a win from every angle,” he said. “It’s a win for the offender. It’s a win for the retailer. It’s a win for the criminal justice system. It’s a win for the community. Who loses in this?”
    These two higher ups seem confused at the messages they are issuing.

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    Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Will they be offering this program to cashiers who accidentally under ring a customer? Or to the customer? Or both?

    The unethical revenue potential is off the charts.

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    Re: Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Utterly dishonest article and OP. First of all, you didn't even give attribution to the article in your "opening comments". You should have wrapped quote tags around that, since you didn't write it. Secondly, the first paragraph of the article (which is where your "comments" come from, word for word), insinuates that innocent people are being extorted. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Nothing to see here folks, just another typical lib hit piece about "eeeeevil capitalist peegs".
    OMG did not wrap Quotes. I am sure Chicken Little is in your view. Time to duck.

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    Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishment

    Imagine you’re browsing at Bloomingdale’s when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting. He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options. The first involves him calling the police, who might arrest you and take you to jail. The second allows you to walk out of the store immediately, no questions asked—right after you sign an admission of guilt and agree to pay $320 to take an online course designed to make you never want to steal again.

    Which would you choose?
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