Russian Opposition Leader Shot Dead in Moscow

Montecresto · Mar 2, 2015

face said:
The only one with motive is the fascist Putin this man was about to release information proving conclusively that Putin the war criminal had dispatched troops to Eastern Ukraine proper, as if we needed a paper trail because once again only fascist propagandists will claim that these Russian soldiers are on vacation.

Hadn't heard that claim. And what's wrong with you that you would deny a Western motive to destabilize Russia? It's already being done overtly.

DDD · Mar 3, 2015

Montecresto said:
It's right there in my post you quoted.

So, it is just an unsubstantiated opinion then?

flogger · Mar 3, 2015

DDD said:
So, it is just an unsubstantiated opinion then?

Aren't they always ? :roll:

DDD · Mar 3, 2015

flogger said:
Aren't they always ? :roll:

Yet they sound so certain, look:

Montecresto said:
I said that those have an equal motive and capability.

The argument seemed to be as if it is a done deal that the motives and capability between Russia and USA/EU/Ukraine to kill this person are equal. Now it is only a matter picking sides!

Yet when asked to support such ridiculous claims nothing but pure opinion comes out. Good thing that opinion is easily refuted.

Rogue Valley · Mar 3, 2015

Russia Says Security Cameras Weren't Pointing at Nemtsov Shooting — But Blogger's Photo Suggests They Were

March 2,2015

"Of course the federal protection service is lying when it says that not one security camera filmed the moment of the murder because they were directed at the Kremlin," Aleshkovsky wrote on his Facebook account. "I deliberately took this photo from the bridge on the night of Nemtsov's murder. And I asked other photographers to do the same … The camera on the Beklemishevskaya tower was pointed DIRECTLY at the place of the murder."

flogger · Mar 3, 2015

Simpleχity;1064377715 said:
Russia Says Security Cameras Weren't Pointing at Nemtsov Shooting — But Blogger's Photo Suggests They Were

It is likely that this guy was under 24/7 FSB surveillance due to his political predispositions and the fact he was due to headline anti war protest march the following day. That he could have been killed without anyone seeing it happen in the area of the Kremlin of all places is laughable

Montecresto · Mar 3, 2015

DDD said:
So, it is just an unsubstantiated opinion then?

As are all the rest.

Montecresto · Mar 3, 2015

The not-so-simple murder of Boris Nemtsov
Vladimir Putin had little reason to have Boris Nemtsov killed, let alone at the Kremlin's doorstep.

The not-so-simple murder of Boris Nemtsov - Al Jazeera English

One must go to "real news" for any logic on this. Patronizing Westerners with a bent on demonizing Putin are inept of such critical thinking.

Here's a question for you to chew on: Why would Russian President Vladimir Putin, who enjoys a popularity rating of around 80 percent at the moment, want to get rid of a fading opposition politician, Boris Nemtsov, who hardly registers on the public radar?
And what would be the logic of having him assassinated less than half a mile away from the Kremlin walls? Wouldn't it be asking for trouble, considering that Russia's relations with the West are at their lowest point since the Cold War over the crisis in Ukraine?

flogger · Mar 3, 2015

Montecresto said:
As are all the rest.

Yes but one can invoke the balance of probabilities based on Putins track record and the probable circumstances in which the victim found himself in when he was killed.

One can therefore make a balanced judgement based on common sense. I realise you might have some difficulties in this area

.

Montecresto · Mar 3, 2015

Putin may be mad – but not mad enough to have had Boris Nemtsov killed

Putin may be mad - but not mad enough to have had Boris Nemtsov killed » Spectator Blogs

Montecresto · Mar 3, 2015

flogger said:
Yes but one can invoke the balance of probabilities based on Putins track record and the probable circumstances in which the victim found himself in when he was killed.

One can therefore make a balanced judgement based on common sense. I realise you might have some difficulties in this area
.

Personal insults don't elevate you.

flogger · Mar 3, 2015

Montecresto said:
Putin may be mad – but not mad enough to have had Boris Nemtsov killed

Putin may be mad - but not mad enough to have had Boris Nemtsov killed » Spectator Blogs

Really ? Its never stopped him in the past. What makes this high profile killing any different from all the others ?

https://larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/

flogger · Mar 3, 2015

Montecresto said:
Personal insults don't elevate you.

An valid observation is no insult. Evidence of your lack of objectivity regarding Putin is overwhelming

Rogue Valley · Mar 3, 2015

flogger said:
It is likely that this guy was under 24/7 FSB surveillance due to his political predispositions and the fact he was due to headline anti war protest march the following day. That he could have been killed without anyone seeing it happen in the area of the Kremlin of all places is laughable

Laughable indeed. Especially since he met up with a Ukrainian (Anna Duritskaya) at the Moscow airport just hours before his murder. The FSB always keeps tabs on foreign nationals (especially Ukrainians) at its airports.

flogger · Mar 3, 2015

Simpleχity;1064377863 said:
Laughable indeed. Especially since he met up with a Ukrainian (Anna Duritskaya) at the Moscow airport just hours before his murder. The FSB always keeps tabs on foreign nationals (especially Ukrainians) at its airports.

Given what happened next I'd love to have been a fly on the wall during that meeting. The FSB doubtless were

Rogue Valley · Mar 3, 2015

flogger said:
Given what happened next I'd love to have been a fly on the wall during that meeting. The FSB doubtless were

Duritskaya was Nemtsov's girlfriend and was with him on the bridge when he was assassinated.

Afterwards, she was placed under house arrest and interrogated by the Russian Investigative Committee.

She was allowed to return to Kyiv just today.

flogger · Mar 3, 2015

Simpleχity;1064377910 said:
Duritskaya was Nemtsov's girlfriend and was with him on the bridge when he was assassinated.

Afterwards, she was placed under house arrest and interrogated by the Russian Investigative Committee.

She was allowed to return to Kyiv just today.

Well you have to give him his due, he does have great taste. Ukrainian women are gorgeous in my experience

DDD · Mar 3, 2015

Montecresto said:
As are all the rest.

No, Putin's opposition was really killed. Since he was Putin's opposition, and not someone elses, the suspicion is primarily on Putin. Anything else, without evidence, is just CT.

Montecresto said:
Putin may be mad – but not mad enough to have had Boris Nemtsov killed

Putin may be mad - but not mad enough to have had Boris Nemtsov killed » Spectator Blogs

Well, since blogs say so :roll:

Montecresto · Mar 3, 2015

flogger said:
An valid observation is no insult. Evidence of your lack of objectivity regarding Putin is overwhelming

All insults given can be declared as observations.

Montecresto · Mar 3, 2015

DDD said:
No, Putin's opposition was really killed. Since he was Putin's opposition, and not someone elses, the suspicion is primarily on Putin. Anything else, without evidence, is just CT.

Well, since blogs say so :roll:

Every theory advanced is an opinion, and everyone believes theirs is correct. So stop acting unique, you and yours are not.

DDD · Mar 3, 2015

Montecresto said:
Every theory advanced is an opinion, and everyone believes theirs is correct. So stop acting unique, you and yours are not.

No, an advanced proposal without evidence is just an opinion. Those are very easily refuted.

For instance your position is that Russia = USA/EU/Ukraine in motivation and capability to kill this person. Provide the evidence that the two are equal?

If no evidence then the response is this easily refuted:

No, period.

Montecresto · Mar 3, 2015

flogger said:
Really ? Its never stopped him in the past. What makes this high profile killing any different from all the others ?

https://larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/

The idiocy of people believing that Putin would sabotage himself. Putin is amongst the most capable of world figures of executing such a crime. His fingerprints are not on this. And only patronizing Westerners can twist themselves into believing that they are, such is the lust for legitimacy in the campaign against Putin/Russia.

Montecresto · Mar 3, 2015

DDD said:
No, an advanced proposal without evidence is just an opinion. Those are very easily refuted.

For instance your position is that Russia = USA/EU/Ukraine in motivation and capability to kill this person. Provide the evidence that the two are equal?

If no evidence then the response is this easily refuted:

No, period.

The two most certainly are equal in motivation, and capability. We don't need for you to understand that. It doesn't matter.

11Bravo · Mar 3, 2015

Montecresto said:
Putin condemned the murder and said it may have been a contract killing, Russian news agencies quoted his spokesman as saying.
He said Putin had been quickly informed of the killing and that the president had expressed his condolences and ordered the security agencies to investigate.

Boris Nemtsov, Russian opposition leader, shot dead in Moscow - World - CBC News

Right...because if Putin had him killed, Putin would go on TV and admit he committed a political assassination...

DDD · Mar 3, 2015

Montecresto said:
The two most certainly are equal in motivation, and capability.

Provide evidence to support this opinion. Otherwise: No, they are not, period.

Montecresto said:
We don't need for you to understand that.

We? Who is we? You and who else?

Montecresto said:
It doesn't matter.

Your posts do not matter because they are mere trollish opinions that cannot be supported with evidence?

To this I agree. Hope we are on the same page though?

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