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Russian Opposition Leader Shot Dead in Moscow

Simpleχity;1064367634 said:
Shot four times in the back. A women he was with was not harmed. A targeted murder.

The Russian government is already advancing possible motive's for the murder ... killed by fellow opposition members, an attempt to destabilize the state, Islamist extremists. Everything other than the fact that Nemtsov was best known as a highly vocal critic of Putin and his regime.
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As a Brit it sounds a bit like when you have a mass high school shooting in the States. The newsfeeds there will blame mental health ,poverty, sunspots in fact anything that will deflect from the fact that perhaps naughty little Jimmy had far too easy access to an arsenal of 'legal' assault weapons when he was having a bad day.
 
Putin is too smart to kill somebody like that. He knows what that will be perceived like.
 
Montecresto said:
Welcome back DDD. In case it escaped you, anything can be claimed on such forums, hmm? Have you evidence that Putin is responsible for this killing, or just more biased anti Russian rhetoric based on all things Russian=bad! and all things Western=good?
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Killing journalists and opposition is common in Russia.
 
Montecresto said:
While we're speculating, eh, any number of motives could have been at play here. And certainly somebody wishing to implicate the Kremlin would find value in shooting him adjacent to it! However, the Kremlin, had it so desired, could have disappeared Boris without a trace, and leaving no such easy criticism. You buy this because it fits your Russian hatred nicely.
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Not every assassination attempt is as smooth apparently. Also, my feelings and me in general is irrelevant to the topic.
 
ocean515 said:
LOL

I guess we'll have to wait, since he has announced he will be personally overseeing the investigation.
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 That would be like the leader of the foxes heading up an investigation into an incident involving a hen house.
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According to some articles about this that I've read it looks like one of the leading causes of death in Russia is being publicly opposed to Putin. :roll:
 
shrubnose said:
According to some articles about this that I've read it looks like one of the leading causes of death in Russia is being publicly opposed to Putin. :roll:
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Doesn't this take you back about 30 or 40 years? After seeing the Russian people finally get some hope, along comes Putin. Who would have thought.
 
iacardsfan said:
Putin is too smart to kill somebody like that. He knows what that will be perceived like.
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Such perceptions haven't troubled him in the past so why do you think they will now ? This guy is just the latest on a long list of victims
 
ocean515 said:
Doesn't this take you back about 30 or 40 years? After seeing the Russian people finally get some hope, along comes Putin. Who would have thought.
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I totally agree. This reminds us of what was going on when Stalin, Khrushchev, etc. were in charge.

I don't have any inside knowledge but I suspect that these people are being killed by some people who are trying to please Putin. I kind of doubt that Putin has ordered these killings, but who really knows?
 
shrubnose said:
I totally agree. This reminds us of what was going on when Stalin, Khrushchev, etc. were in charge.

I don't have any inside knowledge but I suspect that these people are being killed by some people who are trying to please Putin. I kind of doubt that Putin has ordered these killings, but who really knows?
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I think your suspicions are probably accurate.

Such a shame to see what is going on. I remember watching the Yeltsin on top of the tank, the fall of the Berlin Wall. It all seemed so surreal after all those years of duck and cover drills in school, Fallout Shelter signs, Air Raid siren tests.

It seems like deja vu all over again.
 
DDD said:
Not every assassination attempt is as smooth apparently. Also, my feelings and me in general is irrelevant to the topic.
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Attempt? I thought Boris was deceased. I note that you have nothing but a bias to prove your claims on the Kremlin.
 
Assassinated just across the street from the Kremlin, the highest security area of Moscow. Either an uncommonly brazen act ... or the killers were operating on their home turf.
 
Montecresto said:
Attempt? I thought Boris was deceased. I note that you have nothing but a bias to prove your claims on the Kremlin.
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The note is unsubstanatiated because there are plenty of resources posted from Simplexity in the Europe section that show otherwise.
 
The Russian agency tasked with investigating the Nemtsov assassination is ... The Investigative Committee of Russia.

Its Director - Alexander Bastrykin - is subordinate to Vladimir Putin who is the Agency Executive. The Investigative Committee not only investigates crimes, it can also prosecute the accused in court. Thus, it can act as a combination of the FBI and the Justice Department. In simple terms, Vladimir Putin is the Executive of the government agency investigating the Nemtsov assassination.

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Investigative Committee of Russia - Agency Executive Vladimir Putin and Director Alexander Bastrykin
 
Simpleχity;1064370298 said:
The Russian agency tasked with investigating the Nemtsov assassination is ... The Investigative Committee of Russia.

Its Director - Alexander Bastrykin - is subordinate to Vladimir Putin who is the Agency Executive. The Investigative Committee not only investigates crimes, it can also prosecute the accused in court. Thus, it can act as a combination of the FBI and the Justice Department. In simple terms, Vladimir Putin is the Executive of the government agency investigating the Nemtsov assassination.

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Investigative Committee of Russia - Agency Executive Vladimir Putin and Director Alexander Bastrykin
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How comfortable is this information in regards to conducting an unbiased investigation/sarcasm.
 
Simpleχity;1064370298 said:
The Russian agency tasked with investigating the Nemtsov assassination is ... The Investigative Committee of Russia.

Its Director - Alexander Bastrykin - is subordinate to Vladimir Putin who is the Agency Executive. The Investigative Committee not only investigates crimes, it can also prosecute the accused in court. Thus, it can act as a combination of the FBI and the Justice Department. In simple terms, Vladimir Putin is the Executive of the government agency investigating the Nemtsov assassination.

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Investigative Committee of Russia - Agency Executive Vladimir Putin and Director Alexander Bastrykin
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This isn't proof that the Kremlin is behind the killing. Boris has been repeatedly arrested throughout the years, today's protest would not have been his first rodeo. Anthony Boudain took his food doc to Russia interviewing Boris, and produced a documentary played in the states that was very critical of Russia/Putin. Boris wasn't punished, and yeah, Russia let an American film maker come to Russia and produce a disparaging film and leave with it!! The Kremlin could have disappeared Boris at anytime over the past 15 years, without a trace. There simply is no logic to them doing this in the open and in front of the Kremlin, inviting the global outcry. This theory fails!! However, there would be any number of Western powers that would be both capable and motivated to assassinate Boris in a fashion that would seem to implicate the Kremlin. And, yet another attempt at destabilization of Russia.
 
DDD said:
The note is unsubstanatiated because there are plenty of resources posted from Simplexity in the Europe section that show otherwise.
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Lol, there has been no "proof" presented.
 
Simpleχity;1064370215 said:
Assassinated just across the street from the Kremlin, the highest security area of Moscow. Either an uncommonly brazen act ... or the killers were operating on their home turf.
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Yeah right. A job that MI6, CIA, DGSE or any number of other espionage fronts could pull off.
 
‘I am not afraid': Tens of thousands march in Moscow to protest killing of prominent Putin rival

March 1, 2015

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MOSCOW — Carrying flowers, portraits and signs that said “I am not afraid,” tens of thousands people somberly marched Sunday in Moscow to mourn opposition politician Boris Nemtsov, whose slaying on the streets of the capital has shaken Russia’s beleaguered opposition. The mourners on Sunday marched to the bridge near the Kremlin where Nemtsov was gunned down shortly before midnight Friday. Chanting “we’ll not forget, we’ll not forgive,” the crowd filled the road along the Moscow River embankment.

Many waved Russian flags. The mood was sombre, with heavy security. Police helicopters flew overhead and police boats patrolled the river. More than 56,000 marchers passed through metal detectors at the start of the route, The New York Times reported citing Russian news media.

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As a former deputy prime minister and longtime politician, Nemtsov retained strong ties among Russia’s political and business elite, making his killing additionally shocking. He was killed just hours after a radio interview in which he denounced Putin’s “mad, aggressive and deadly policy of war against Ukraine.” Nemtsov was working on a report presenting evidence that he believed proved that Russian servicemen were fighting with the separatists in Ukraine, despite official denials. Opposition leader Ilya Yashin said it was unlikely the report would ever be published because investigators who searched Nemtsov’s apartment after his death took away his laptop.
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Putin's Investigative Committee (see Post 63 above) confiscated Nemtsov's laptop which contained information on the involvement of Russian servicemen in Ukraine. In an interview with Financial Times reporter Kathrin Hille in Moscow just days before his murder, he had this to say about Vladimir Putin...

He is a totally amoral human being. Totally amoral. He is a Leviathan. Putin is very dangerous. He is more dangerous than the Soviets were. In the Soviet Union, there was at least a system, and decisions were taken in the politburo. Decisions about war, decisions to kill people, were not taken by Brezhnev alone, or by Andropov either, but that’s how it works now.
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Boris Nemtsov: FT interview days before he was murdered
 
Montecresto said:
Any kind.
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You idolise this despot so obviously there is nothing that could ever be presented to you that would make the slightest difference. I know this from long experience of your warped predispositions on other threads :roll:
 
Simpleχity;1064371721 said:
‘I am not afraid': Tens of thousands march in Moscow to protest killing of prominent Putin rival



Putin's Investigative Committee (see Post 63 above) confiscated Nemtsov's laptop which contained information on the involvement of Russian servicemen in Ukraine. In an interview with Financial Times reporter Kathrin Hille in Moscow just days before his murder, he had this to say about Vladimir Putin...


Boris Nemtsov: FT interview days before he was murdered
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At 82% approval rating, One thing that you cannot say, however, is that Putin’s actions are unpopular. Considering the sharp upward shift in his personal approval rating, it seems clear that a great majority of Russians support the aggressive actions of their government to “protect” Russian-speakers in Ukraine. Is this support unanimous? No, of course not. But while one should recognize and commend the bravery it takes to publicly oppose the Kremlin in the midst of a nationalist frenzy, it is a serious mistake to think that such views predominate because they simply do not.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markado...ns-approval-is-at-a-more-than-four-year-high/
 
flogger said:
You idolise this despot so obviously there is nothing that could ever be presented to you that would make the slightest difference. I know this from long experience of your warped predispositions on other threads :roll:
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Russian nationalists cannot help but be extremely biased and anti-American it seems. So are Serbs!
 
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