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    Re: Russian Opposition Leader Shot Dead in Moscow

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Putin is nothing but a fascistic, neo-imperialist, leader. The 2018 elections cannot come soon enough.
    I'm not familiar with Russian Politics, but what's to stop him though from just putting himself as Prime Minister again like he did the last time his term limit came, and effectively keeping himself in power?

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    Re: Russian Opposition Leader Shot Dead in Moscow

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I'm not familiar with Russian Politics, but what's to stop him though from just putting himself as Prime Minister again like he did the last time his term limit came, and effectively keeping himself in power?
    This is true...... I just hope the opposition movement is ready to hit the streets again.


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    Re: Russian Opposition Leader Shot Dead in Moscow

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This is true...... I just hope the opposition movement is ready to hit the streets again.
    Whether or not Putin actually killed the opposition leader, it really doesn't matter because many in Russia will believe it regardless. And once they start to think that Putin, again whether he killed the guy or not, did order the hit, whose going to want to oppose him? Also, Politics from what I gathered in Russia has a weird sort of Monarchy quality to it that the stepping down President, generally selects the next one who comes in. It's worked that way since Yeltsin If I'm correct. And the Russian people seem plenty happy enough to have him in charge...

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    Re: Russian Opposition Leader Shot Dead in Moscow

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Whether or not Putin actually killed the opposition leader, it really doesn't matter because many in Russia will believe it regardless. And once they start to think that Putin, again whether he killed the guy or not, did order the hit, whose going to want to oppose him?
    The Communists, Liberals, Social Democrats.

    Also, Politics from what I gathered in Russia has a weird sort of Monarchy quality to it that the stepping down President, generally selects the next one who comes in. It's worked that way since Yeltsin If I'm correct. And the Russian people seem plenty happy enough to have him in charge...
    When I was in university I took "Soviet and Russian Politics" (this was 2 years ago), and my professor stated that Putin and his cronies essentially strong armed Yelstin from power. With Yelstin approval ratings sinking to below 10%, and Putin's sudden rise, he essentially forced Yelstin from power. Right now I'm sure they do approve of him because of the war in eastern Ukaine, but that "rally around the flag" syndrome has to stop at sometime.


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    Re: Russian Opposition Leader Shot Dead in Moscow

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The Communists, Liberals, Social Democrats.
    To be more specific, who would lead them? I'm sure someone will step up, but many won't though...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    When I was in university I took "Soviet and Russian Politics" (this was 2 years ago), and my professor stated that Putin and his cronies essentially strong armed Yelstin from power. With Yelstin approval ratings sinking to below 10%, and Putin's sudden rise, he essentially forced Yelstin from power. Right now I'm sure they do approve of him because of the war in eastern Ukaine, but that "rally around the flag" syndrome has to stop at sometime.
    Much of that though was behind the scenes though, for in public, Yeltsin did support him. And ever since then, the next guy up has always gotten the next one's blessing. That's why you don't see one term president's in Russia. As far as the syndrome stopping, I'm not so sure. Russia is a far different beast then anywhere in the West, and it's people reflect that. But beyond that, Putin has brought something to Russia's people that it desperately needed and that was to be relevant and to feel important again on the world stage. It's much the same manner as Hitler did for the German people still reeling from the Treaty of Versailles. Let's just hope that's where the comparisons to Hitler end...

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    Re: Russian Opposition Leader Shot Dead in Moscow

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    To be more specific, who would lead them? I'm sure someone will step up, but many won't though...
    I think the opposition can pick a candidate from this list: Russian Opposition Coordination Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Im sure Gennady Zyuganov (Russian Communist Party) will run.




    Much of that though was behind the scenes though, for in public, Yeltsin did support him. And ever since then, the next guy up has always gotten the next one's blessing. That's why you don't see one term president's in Russia.
    I think we would agree that many of Russians "elections" are not fraudulent... Could that also be a major reason?

    As far as the syndrome stopping, I'm not so sure. Russia is a far different beast then anywhere in the West, and it's people reflect that.
    I agree. But one does not have to look to far... One only has to look to the protests against the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan in the USSR.

    But beyond that, Putin has brought something to Russia's people that it desperately needed and that was to be relevant and to feel important again on the world stage. It's much the same manner as Hitler did for the German people still reeling from the Treaty of Versailles. Let's just hope that's where the comparisons to Hitler end...
    I agree that Putin brought this. He promised stability and economic stability. He brought that for the vast majority of his term(s). He however did it through brutal, corrupt, and oligarchical means. Is he a scumbag? Absolutley. I just hope that the opposition be it, "Other Russia", Liberals, Communists, Socialists, Federalists, Anarchists, Femenists, all take back to the streets again.


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    Re: Russian Opposition Leader Shot Dead in Moscow

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Last I checked, Obama, or any US leader wasn't advocating bringing back one of the most oppressive and brutal governments in the world's history. You know how many deaths the Soviet Union were responsible for? Or just simply how many people suffered under their brutal rule? Quite frankly, I'm tired of your self-righteousness, trying to equate what's going on in Russia with anything that has ever occurred in the US, thinking the US is just as bad (or dare I say worse) as that dictatorship now setting up in Kremlin, just a few dozen feet from where this man was shot! But fine, you want to make excuses for the mad man in Russia, go right ahead, you're free to after all. It's not like your in Russia and have to worry about being locked up or killed for opinions...

    Edit: Again, all the ones you brought up (and not well sourced might I add) didn't come up two days before a rally against their authority! Maybe if Reagan had killed the reporter prior to blowing the lid, then you'd have a point that he was trying to stop the damaging information from coming out. But the damage had already been done, there was no reason to do it! Think about these things man!
    Patronize your life away dude!
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    Re: Russian Opposition Leader Shot Dead in Moscow

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I'm not familiar with Russian Politics, but what's to stop him though from just putting himself as Prime Minister again like he did the last time his term limit came, and effectively keeping himself in power?
    Why do you think you need to stop anything in Russia. Have you noticed the decline of America in the last decades. Do you remember when the US was number one in almost everything in the world. Go ahead and pretend it's the old days.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russian Opposition Leader Shot Dead in Moscow

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I think the opposition can pick a candidate from this list: Russian Opposition Coordination Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Im sure Gennady Zyuganov (Russian Communist Party) will run.
    First off, I'm sort of shocked there are still Communist in Russia (second, no I'm not considering, admittedly, Democracy hasn't been that great for Russia). But, besides that, what would a Russian Communist government look like.... if not the Soviet Union?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I think we would agree that many of Russians "elections" are not fraudulent... Could that also be a major reason?
    I could be wrong, but did you mean to say that the elections are fraudulent? If that's the case, I would actually be surprised to find out if they were. As I said, I think there is a lot of genuine appreciation for that Putin has done (I've had the privilege of speaking to a couple of Russians actually in one of my online gaming groups who have expressed as much).

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I agree. But one does not have to look to far... One only has to look to the protests against the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan in the USSR.
    When did this occur though? See I'd be very surprised if it occurred in the beginning with a traditionalist like Brezhnev in power, but not so shocked if it occurred either midway or towards the end during Gorbachev who was a far more moderate leader, and a reformer in many respects.

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    Re: Russian Opposition Leader Shot Dead in Moscow

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why do you think you need to stop anything in Russia. Have you noticed the decline of America in the last decades. Do you remember when the US was number one in almost everything in the world. Go ahead and pretend it's the old days.
    You're either asking that question because you haven't been paying attention, or because you are a true believer. If the latter is the case, you should apply to the RT because they could use a few more like you that won't question Putin.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Patronize your life away dude!
    You know what boggles me the most about you? I mean, you go on and on about all the evils of the US, but you don't seem to have any problem with the stuff that Putin is doing in Russia. I mean, if you were at least fair and would call out both sides, then at least I'd be able to understand it. Instead, it seems like you think all the evil in the world goes back to the US and you probably think much like Putin that the world would be a better place if the Soviet Union were still around oppressing millions of people.

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