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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I gotta say, I'm not a fan of McConnell, but he has been leaps and bounds more mature than Boehner has been in this fiasco.

    Here is the DHS's contingency plan in case they go to a partial shutdown.
    Considering McConnell has already allowed more votes on amendments this term than Reid did all last term,
    this proud Democrat--often ridiculed for even saying that--tips his cap to a new and more open Senate, as voiced by my Sen. Durbin.

    Sen. McConnell will not allow the government to shut down, period.
    He's doing the little things needed to keep his Majority Leader position, in spite of a bad 2016 map.

    After the Netanyahu speech, which I'm sure McConnell wasn't a part of, we have the 'doc fix' problem in March.

    With the highway trust fund about to go broke in May, I can see him attach KXL to this very important Transportation bill.
    This was my original preference, to have a long-term approach to energy, infrastructure and transportation .
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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    My respect for McConnell would increase immensly if he said that this was his intent: to teach Congress how to work again.
    I doubt he'll do it but it would be lulzy.
    I believe McConnell has said this in so many words.
    He quipped about what it was like to have a caucus full of Presidential candidates.

    There are quite a few Senate Democrats who've never seen the Senate run with both sides contributing either.

    There's no question in my mind that McConnell has the one job he's always wanted and he'll let no one in his party ruin that .
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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    It's done. For a week, at least. We'll see what happens next week when we potentially go through this all over again.
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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    So what is your plan to deal with the immigration system?

    Do you believe it is broken, as Sen. Rubio and 12 other GOP Senators did with the Dream Act?
    And of course Sen. Rubio backtracked when he was booed in front of TEA party audiences.

    Do you believe it was okay for the President to be blamed by a big part of his base for being the deporter-in-chief?
    Shouldn't these matters be dealt with at a joint conference, as per the Constitution?

    And realistically, how would you export the 12 million or so illegals and deal with the ensuing economic fallout ?
    I don't have the slightest inclination to seek out and deport anyone. What I do have a desire to do is, when someone here illegally gets popped for something, you kick them, their kids, their cousins, and whoever else is associated with them back to where they came from so that they can start the process the right way. I'd also be all for making it easier to get an H1B especially through employer sponsor programs so that people who just wanted to come here to work could do so. They don't get to bring their wife and their kids and their parents and when the term is up they have to go home but if it's easy then nobody will have a reason to come here illegally. Along with that I'd do away with "Lawful Permanent Resident" status. Green Cards would be issued for 5 years with a single option to renew for another 5 years. If you want to stay here longer than that then get naturalized.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Lets review.

    1. 6 weeks ago, the House passes a bill fully funding DHS through the end of the fiscal year, with one stipulation, that no funding could go towards enforcing Obamas amnesty order.
    2. The Senate did nothing until yesterday (the last day of funding authorization), when they amended the bill to remove that stipulation and sent it back to the House.

    It seems pretty obvious that the Senate negligence to even look at the House bill or offer their own bill, until the very last minute, is to blame.Meet the new bosses, same as the old bosses.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Considering McConnell has already allowed more votes on amendments this term than Reid did all last term,
    this proud Democrat--often ridiculed for even saying that--tips his cap to a new and more open Senate, as voiced by my Sen. Durbin.

    Sen. McConnell will not allow the government to shut down, period.
    He's doing the little things needed to keep his Majority Leader position, in spite of a bad 2016 map.

    After the Netanyahu speech, which I'm sure McConnell wasn't a part of, we have the 'doc fix' problem in March.

    With the highway trust fund about to go broke in May, I can see him attach KXL to this very important Transportation bill.
    This was my original preference, to have a long-term approach to energy, infrastructure and transportation .
    I'm not McConnell's biggest fan, but I appreciate the way he seems to have approached his new role. He isn't confrontational but seems willing to be open minded. With that I'm sure he's pissing tons of Republicans off, but I wish people would remember back to the days of Reagan/O'Neill and Clinton/Gingrich. You know, sometimes it's better to work together than stand on your laurels. Both sides need to compromise. Both sides seem to forget that our government wasn't set up to be a goddam competition.
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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm not McConnell's biggest fan, but I appreciate the way he seems to have approached his new role. He isn't confrontational but seems willing to be open minded. With that I'm sure he's pissing tons of Republicans off, but I wish people would remember back to the days of Reagan/O'Neill and Clinton/Gingrich. You know, sometimes it's better to work together than stand on your laurels. Both sides need to compromise. Both sides seem to forget that our government wasn't set up to be a goddam competition.
    He waited till literally the last day to vote on the House bill, then amended it and sent it back. How is that working together? He could have amended the bill 6 weeks ago when the House sent it over and they could have worked together for 6 weeks to pass something Dems would accept.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    In a government built on checks and balances, when one branch acts to it's fullest and most extreme regarding the powers it's been vested in order to thwart another branch it is only naturaly that said other branch will act to it's fullest and most extreme regrading the powers it's been vested in order to thwart the other.

    The House is no more unreasonable, immoral, or evil for attempting to use it's power...the power of the purse...to it's absolute fullest than the President is in using his power similarly.

    Our Government is built on Checks and Balances. If you wish for a congres that simply rolls over when an executive pushes his authority to it's utmost max than seek to change the United States into a Dictatorship. Otherwise, recognize that these kind of issues can occur when multiple branches are making clear attempts to thwart the purposes of the other.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    In effect, Obama started it. But of course the media will blame Republicans.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    In effect, Obama started it. But of course the media will blame Republicans.
    Eh, chicken and an egg in terms of "starting it".

    Republicans can say "Obama started it" because of his executive actin. He can say Republicans started it by not allowing the Senate immigration bill to get passed the House. The Republicans can then blame the Democrats for not putting forward a bill from the Senate that the Republican House could get behind. The senate could then blame the Republicans for not comrpomising enough. And it'd just go round and round and round and round.

    Placing blame shouldn't be the goal of the media at all, despite the fact they absolutley do seem to have that as a goal. Blame lies on both sides. It's not about placing blame, but rather recognizing the empasse and either one/both sides taking the first steps to try and rectify it OR accepting that this back and forth will continue to happen and neither side is clean in the issue.

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