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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    If you cannot accept the fact that 245 (GOP reps) > 188 (Dem reps), then you have zero standing in this debate. A demonstration of basic arithmetic skills would help you here.
    You seem to be agreeing that it's all about politics. The real concern SHOULD be that the reason for this impasse is an executive order which is in direct conflict with the laws of this nation.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    You seem to be agreeing that it's all about politics. The real concern SHOULD be that the reason for this impasse is an executive order which is in direct conflict with the laws of this nation.
    That's what I thought. You struggle to understand that 245 > 188. And keep the Fox "News" bullcrap out of this.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    The genesis of the XO began just after the Senate passed its bi-partisan immigration reform.
    You know that Cantor/Boehner refused to allow a vote on Rubio's Dream Act nor would they go to conference.

    Finally, when Cantor tried a small step to reform, he got run out of office.

    The President promised the XO BEFORE the election--he broke his word.
    Hispanic Americans reacted by calling him the exporter-in-chief and didn't turn out in 2012 numbers in the 2014 election.

    The GOP should be giving Obama kudos for ****ing his own DEMs in the last election.

    By the way, DEMs will ride to the rescue later tonight on the one-week McConnell/Reid fix.
    McConnell is slick .


    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    You seem to be agreeing that it's all about politics. The real concern SHOULD be that the reason for this impasse is an executive order which is in direct conflict with the laws of this nation.
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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    So because you believe several things have gone wrong prior, it's okay to let one more problem slide us closer to disaster?

    If I EVER had an employee working for me who I knew acted that way, I'd fire them on the spot.
    Not at all, I'm just saying there's enough sharing to go around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    That's irrelevant. Because the House has the majority, the ball is in their court. Period. Boehner has 3h30m to get this DONE.
    I get it, you want to blame Republicans for everything and that's fine for you. It's not the whole truth, but that's politics.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Boehner to bring clean funding bill next week.
    Pelosi to the rescue, as with the Cromnibus, with a seat back at the table of the big four.
    And I expect the GOP not to break the 'Hastert' rule--the GOP will have a majority of the majority .
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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Not at all, I'm just saying there's enough sharing to go around.

    I get it, you want to blame Republicans for everything and that's fine for you. It's not the whole truth, but that's politics.
    Yes, accuse me of being political while you're struggling with arithmetic. gg, thanks for playing.
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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The genesis of the XO began just after the Senate passed its bi-partisan immigration reform.
    You know that Cantor/Boehner refused to allow a vote on Rubio's Dream Act nor would they go to conference.

    Finally, when Cantor tried a small step to reform, he got run out of office.

    The President promised the XO BEFORE the election--he broke his word.
    Hispanic Americans reacted by calling him the exporter-in-chief and didn't turn out in 2012 numbers in the 2014 election.

    The GOP should be giving Obama kudos for ****ing his own DEMs in the last election.

    By the way, DEMs will ride to the rescue later tonight on the one-week McConnell/Reid fix.
    McConnell is slick .
    You're damned right that Cantor got run out of office. We've got laws regarding how people are allowed to enter and remain in this country. Cantor and others took it upon themselves to change those laws to something that a lot of Americans disagreed with and they expressed their displeasure at the ballot box. Now you have Obama trying to do circumvent those laws to an even greater extent and you are seeing the expression of LAWFUL, RESPONSIBLE disagreement with that action.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    My mistake then, but they did contribute to the process, and was where the tax cuts came into play if you recall. But keep in mind that again, Republicans had the luxury of being able to vote all against it, knowing it didn't matter in the end. At that point it was politics. Where the metal meets the dirt, is when the ACA started to come into play....

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    We don't need to relitigate the ACA, but the point is the GOP promised from day one and DID try to block Obama on everything. Record filibusters, etc. And when they do that, and follow through time after time, even on what should be non-controversial appointments, is it any wonder the Democrats quit even trying to negotiate with them. What point is negotiating with someone when they have told you, and repeatedly proved, "If you compromise with me, I'll return the favor with a big fat HELL NO vote." So, democrats quit negotiating.... It's the rational move.
    The problem is that the Democrats were never interesting in negotiating. Regardless of whether you believe the GOP was going in from day one to stop everything, that still wouldn't stop the Democrats from at least attempting to have a conversation on the subject of, well the ACA as this all goes back to it. I mean, the reason the Democrats were thrown out of Congress to begin with wasn't just because Americans didn't the law, it was because the Democrats were seen as a party that was going to force through a law, and didn't care the consequences. After the ACA, which incidentally was the only time healthcare reform of that sort was passed on partisan lines, it was inevitable for the Democrats to lose ground.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The GOP House wasn't going to respond to an Obama ultimatum. I edited the posts above to add that the Senate passed a bill along bipartisan lines. That's the kind of compromise you were asking for, it was done, a bill passed and the House did what they do which was say HELL NO to it.
    You don't know that, but let's assume for a moment that the GOP didn't follow through. There's nothing stopping Obama from going ahead and using unilateral action to do what he wants. Only now he can tell the American people that he gave the Republicans and chance and they wouldn't work with him. See before hand, it was more about a Democrat Senate and Republican House not getting along. But now, it would just be the Republicans shown to not make any movement. Look it may not make a difference to partisan such as yourself, but as someone like myself who doesn't have a dog in this fight, the way Obama went about it bothered me far more than what he actually did.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I don't know if that's true or not. To my knowledge that kind of deal hasn't ever been proposed.

    I'm not blaming the environment all on the GOP either - this has been a process long in the making, going back a couple of decades, with "both sides" playing their roles.
    As I stated before, I can agree on this, though I do believe more of the original blame lies with the Democrats and how they handled the ACA, but today the blame is now more to do with Republicans I will say that.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    There is such a compromise, and it was forged in the Senate. Boehner needs to grow a pair and bring that bill to the House floor already.
    You wanna talk about Math? How about talking about 188 democrats that Pelosi has to draw from. Only need about fifty of them, or do you not think Pelosi could pull that off? That's all you'd need to get this important bill to pass.

    Also, You do realize there's a reason for a House AND a Senate right? And that the two are suppose to find a compromise together?

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    So what is your plan to deal with the immigration system?

    Do you believe it is broken, as Sen. Rubio and 12 other GOP Senators did with the Dream Act?
    And of course Sen. Rubio backtracked when he was booed in front of TEA party audiences.

    Do you believe it was okay for the President to be blamed by a big part of his base for being the deporter-in-chief?
    Shouldn't these matters be dealt with at a joint conference, as per the Constitution?

    And realistically, how would you export the 12 million or so illegals and deal with the ensuing economic fallout ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    You're damned right that Cantor got run out of office. We've got laws regarding how people are allowed to enter and remain in this country. Cantor and others took it upon themselves to change those laws to something that a lot of Americans disagreed with and they expressed their displeasure at the ballot box. Now you have Obama trying to do circumvent those laws to an even greater extent and you are seeing the expression of LAWFUL, RESPONSIBLE disagreement with that action.
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