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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    That's a blatant distortion and you know it. You've heard of arithmetic, right? The GOP has the majority in the House. They can pass anything they want, any time they're in session.
    It's the truth. Yes the GOP have the majority, but last I checked, Pelosi has a few votes, or am I wrong?

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Dude, this is not a matter of months or even weeks. This is a matter of hours. What kind of message does it send to the world when we can't even fund the organization that purports to stop terrorist attacks on our soil before they even happen?
    Holy crap!!

    Here's what's going to happen if they don't provide funding:

    1. Customs and Border Patrol will cut hours and very publically claim that Republicans forced the nation to become less secure
    2. TSA will cut hours and millions of people will have to wait longer to get on airplanes. Republicans will be blamed
    3. Animal and Plant Health Inspection will cut hours so that meat and veggies don't make it to the grocery store as quickly. Republicans will be blamed

    The only stuff that will change will be the stuff people actually see and feel. The other 19 agencies under DHS will still keep running full throttle because nobody knows who they are or what they do.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    This is already not the case as Republicans did work with Obama on the Stimulus package and it passed with a lot of Republican votes that really weren't needed at the time.
    Not true. American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    On January 28, 2009, the House passed the bill by a 244–188 vote.[7] All but 11 Democrats voted for the bill, and 177 Republicans voted against it (one Republican did not vote).[8]
    Not one GOPer voted for it. Unanimous.

    Also, this is all very silly, when you realize that even if the Republicans wanted to say "no" to everything, they couldn't of blocked ****. Democrats held a Super-Majority. In fact the only ones who blocked the ACA bill was other Democrats! But speaking of the ACA

    There is nothing about the ACA that the Republicans wanted. There was never any demands that were "given in". Unless you're talking about all the lies that Obama told about the plan to sell it to Congress like how funds wouldn't go to support Abortion. And before you even try, don't bother bringing up the old "the IM was a Republican idea" shtick. First off, I dare you to find me a Republican that in 2009 was supporting that and you won't. The reason being that when the idea was originally proposed, it was under different circumstances (mainly the abolishment of Medicare and Medicaid). Second, it was never the Republicans that were blocking it in the first place but the Blue Dog Democrats. Which incidentally, Pelosi was glad to be rid of as they weren't progressive enough for her.
    We don't need to relitigate the ACA, but the point is the GOP promised from day one and DID try to block Obama on everything. Record filibusters, etc. And when they do that, and follow through time after time, even on what should be non-controversial appointments, is it any wonder the Democrats quit even trying to negotiate with them. What point is negotiating with someone when they have told you, and repeatedly proved, "If you compromise with me, I'll return the favor with a big fat HELL NO vote." So, democrats quit negotiating.... It's the rational move.

    My problem with what Obama did isn't the substance of what he did. In fact, I believe the Dream Act should of been passed. And while you can argue the fact sheet was out there for some time, the truth of the matter was that the new Republican controlled Congress didn't even get a chance to be sworn in before Obama tried his unilateral approach. What would of been the harm in laying down a real ultimatum to the new congress to pass something before going off and doing what he wanted?
    The GOP House wasn't going to respond to an Obama ultimatum. I edited the posts above to add that the Senate passed a bill along bipartisan lines. That's the kind of compromise you were asking for, it was done, a bill passed and the House did what they do which was say HELL NO to it.

    Look, ultimately, Obama is just as much an ideologue as any Republican you want to point too. If this was fifteen or twenty years ago, Obama would of said he'd allow the Keystone Pipeline to go through (and another small bone, something to level the balances) in exchange for taking the Dream Act up and passing it. But Obama isn't going to even consider Keystone, no more than the Republicans want to consider the Dream Act. No one wins, and that's the state of our politics.
    I don't know if that's true or not. To my knowledge that kind of deal hasn't ever been proposed.

    I'm not blaming the environment all on the GOP either - this has been a process long in the making, going back a couple of decades, with "both sides" playing their roles.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    There's something my flight instructor once told me, and that was that whenever you have a disaster, a dozen or so things have to go wrong at the same time. While the end point of this current little crisis we got may be Republicans not passing a bill, there's plenty of blame to go around that started far before today.
    So because you believe several things have gone wrong prior, it's okay to let one more problem slide us closer to disaster?

    If I EVER had an employee working for me who I knew acted that way, I'd fire them on the spot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    It's the truth. Yes the GOP have the majority, but last I checked, Pelosi has a few votes, or am I wrong?
    That's irrelevant. Because the House has the majority, the ball is in their court. Period. Boehner has 3h30m to get this DONE.
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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Holy crap!!

    Here's what's going to happen if they don't provide funding:

    1. Customs and Border Patrol will cut hours and very publically claim that Republicans forced the nation to become less secure
    2. TSA will cut hours and millions of people will have to wait longer to get on airplanes. Republicans will be blamed
    3. Animal and Plant Health Inspection will cut hours so that meat and veggies don't make it to the grocery store as quickly. Republicans will be blamed

    The only stuff that will change will be the stuff people actually see and feel. The other 19 agencies under DHS will still keep running full throttle because nobody knows who they are or what they do.
    Dude, don't even. I've seen how wildly off-base some of your other posts are, so I'm not quite ready to entertain the notion that you've suddenly gotten your facts straight. I shudder to think how loudly you and the other GOP voters would be howling were the Democrats to be the ones to pull this DHS stunt.
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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Uh, can we have that discussion in another thread where the clock isn't ticking?

    Less than 4 hours to go...
    the clock means nothing to us here...we aren't involved in this at all....

    besides, if the clock runs out, we'll be fine... the world won't end.....it will be business as usual at the DHS

    P.s... don't take my rhetoric seriously here... i don't.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the clock means nothing to us here...we aren't involved in this at all....

    besides, if the clock runs out, we'll be fine... the world won't end.....it will be business as usual at the DHS

    P.s... don't take my rhetoric seriously here... i don't.
    I see. Sounds like humor in a place that shall not be named.
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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Pelosi and Obama are both Ideologues, who no more can find compromises or work the game than Cruz can if called up. Hell, if she was so good, it wouldn't of taken forever for the ACA to be passed after all.
    There wasn't ever any issue getting any part of ACA through Pelosi's House. She did her job like she did on all the other bills. ALL the action was on the Senate side, for ACA and everything else. The House passed it and it went to the Senate to die. Happened over and over and over and over.

    There's something my flight instructor once told me, and that was that whenever you have a disaster, a dozen or so things have to go wrong at the same time. While the end point of this current little crisis we got may be Republicans not passing a bill, there's plenty of blame to go around that started far before today.
    OK, that's probably true, but at some point the House will have to face reality, and that reality is what can get through the Senate with 60 votes. Right now they're not willing to do that.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Dude, don't even. I've seen how wildly off-base some of your other posts are, so I'm not quite ready to entertain the notion that you've suddenly gotten your facts straight. I shudder to think how loudly you and the other GOP voters would be howling were the Democrats to be the ones to pull this DHS stunt.
    the Democrats are pulling this DHS stunt...and so are the Republicans.

    that's fact.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Obama isn't concerned about what the World thinks and niether should you.
    I think this is an ironic statement coming from a conservative who likely thinks the first thing Obama did as president was go on "an apology tour" around the world.
    Trump Attacked A Syrian Airfield. Trump will be a one-term president.

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