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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    But then, this goes back to the problem some liberals seem to have with simply thinking that their opinion and world view isn't just their perspective, but somehow objective truth.

    For those types...."holding a budgetary measure hostage" in order to get things ADDED to it is perfectly fine. Such as when they worked to hold up and thwart the budget measure in 2007 for Iraq War Funding unless they got BILLIONS of additional completely unrelated add-on's...like aid for avocado growers or drought relief funds...along with demanding a troop withdrawal deadline of the end of 2008.

    It was apparently okay for them to hold things "hostage" because to many liberals what they were doing was "good" and thus attaching "irrelevant political power grabs" to it was perfectly okay and not worthy of condemnation at all. It's only when you want to decrease funding in some fashion, or doing something that they view as "bad", that it suddenly is just beyond the pale to suggest a budgetary bill be anything but "clean".

    Both parties routinely play politics with the budget, because that's the primary leverage point that the legislature has in providing a check to the executive branch. To expect the legislature, regardless of party, to just sit back and take it up the ass in accordance with what the Executive wants is not just laughable but is antithetical to the concept of checks and balances this country was established on.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So immigration...an issue that touches upon the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS), United States Customs and Border Protection (CBP), and United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE)...is as relevant to the funding of the Department of Homeland Security

    ....as....

    Abortion is to the Department of Defense.

    This is the argument you're seriously making?

    The GOP is trying to utilize their constitutionally vested power of the purse to deal with the potential funding of the cabinet department that oversees the vast majority of immigration related issues with the government.

    The President has used his constitutionally vested power to it's fullest to direct his various executive agencies to use the funds provided by them in congress in ways that are UNQUESTIONABLY contrary to the implied or stated will of the Congress. As such, they are using their constitutionally vested power to it's fullest to deny said agencies the funds to enact those things.

    This isn't a case of tying some completely unrelated political issue to the budget. This is relating to a specific issue that the specific agency who's funds are being debated is charged with handling. To compare this to holding up a budget for the Department of Defense about Abortion is RIDICULOUS.

    What would be more accurate would be wondering what someone's response would be to Democrats attaching requirements for a withdrawal timeline to a bill funding the Department of Defense's endeavors in a war...you know, like was discussed back in 2006.
    Of course it's within their constitutional power. I have no idea why you think that's a rebuttal to what I said.

    This isn't just a good ol' fashioned honest funding bill. It's a political attack against the president's policies. If they want to legislatively reverse the policy, they should try and pass that legislatively on its own instead of holding the entire Department of Homeland Security for ransom.
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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Of course it's within their constitutional power. I have no idea why you think that's a rebuttal to what I said.

    This isn't just a good ol' fashioned honest funding bill. It's a political attack against the president's policies. If they want to legislatively reverse the policy, they should try and pass that legislatively on its own instead of holding the entire Department of Homeland Security for ransom.
    OR you attempt to not pass legislation that funds the president's policies, which is exactly what they're doing. They've passed a bill to fund the Department of Homeland Security outside of the Presidents actions regarding immigration. The Democrats are just as much "holding the entire Department of Homeland Security ransom" in the name of their "political" desires. The President refusing to relent on his Executive Action, or the senate refusing to allow it to not be funded, is just as much keeping DHS from being funded as a whole as the Republicans refusal to fund those Executive Actions.

    I don't know where in the world you're getting this ridiculous and erroneous notion that a budget bill isn't legislative action, but it most assuredly is. They are taking legislative action to reverse the policy, specifically the legislative action of denying any funding to be used for those actions. That is a legislative action. Is it an extreme one? Absolute. As is the President taking executive action that is unquestionably against the explicit or implied will of the congress. Welcome to the world of checks and balances where extreme action is met by extreme action between the various branches of our government.

    You seem to want to demand your guy should be able to use his constitutional powers to their most extreme and fullest and the other side should just roll over and take it up the ass, but that's not how things generally work nor should work.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The public will blame the GOP, too.


    "...The survey finds 53% of Americans would blame the Republicans in Congress if the department must shut down, while 30% would blame President Barack Obama. Another 13% say both deserve the blame..."

    Poll: Blame for DHS shutdown would fall to GOP - CNN.com

    Poll: Keeping DHS Open More Important Than Opposing Obama On Immigration
    But is that because the media blames them?

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Of course it's within their constitutional power. I have no idea why you think that's a rebuttal to what I said.

    This isn't just a good ol' fashioned honest funding bill. It's a political attack against the president's policies. If they want to legislatively reverse the policy, they should try and pass that legislatively on its own instead of holding the entire Department of Homeland Security for ransom.
    The Presidents order was a political attack against congress policies. But I dont see you attacking him. If he didnt like what congress wasnt doing, he should try to pass his request on its own, through congress.

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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Boehner backs down in DHS funding fight, plans to hold vote on 'clean' bill | Fox News

    Looks Boehner is bringing the Senate bill to the floor for a vote this afternoon.
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    Re: DHS funding expected to run out as key House vote fails

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Boehner backs down in DHS funding fight, plans to hold vote on 'clean' bill | Fox News

    Looks Boehner is bringing the Senate bill to the floor for a vote this afternoon.
    Good. Lets get people on record that they are going to keep caving to executive tyranny.

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