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    Ukraine begins artillery withdrawal, recognizing truce is holding

    Who knows, maybe this one will work for a while at least.

    Ukrainian troops towed artillery away from the front line in the east on Thursday, a move that amounted to recognizing that a ceasefire meant to take effect on Feb. 15 was holding at last.

    The military showed reporters seven or eight guns being towed away from the front at the village of Paraskoviyvka north of the government stronghold of Artemivsk. Earlier, Reuters journalists saw a larger convoy of 30-40 vehicles also towing guns away from the front on a highway.

    The move was Kiev's most direct step to acknowledge that the ceasefire was finally holding, a week after suffering one of the worst defeats of the war at the hands of rebels who initially ignored the ceasefire to launch a major advance.

    The pro-Russian rebels, who committed to the truce after their successful offensive, have been pulling back heavy weapons for two days, but Kiev had until now held back from implementing the withdrawal, arguing that fighting had not yet ceased.

    However, the army reported no combat fatalities at the front for a second straight day on Thursday, the first time no troops have been killed since long before the French- and German-brokered truce was meant to take effect.

    The withdrawal of artillery is "point two" of the peace agreement reached in the Belarus capital Minsk, so beginning it amounts to an acknowledgement that "point one" - the ceasefire itself - is being observed.
    Ukraine begins artillery withdrawal, recognizing truce is holding | Reuters

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    Re: Ukraine begins artillery withdrawal, recognizing truce is holding

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Who knows, maybe this one will work for a while at least.
    Ukraine begins artillery withdrawal, recognizing truce is holding | Reuters
    It will last only as long as it takes Putin to rearm and resupply his proxies. Kharkiv is the next target with destabilizing pro Russian 'terrorist' bombings already under way

    Bomb blast at pro-Ukraine rally in Kharkiv kills 2; Kiev blames Russia - LA Times
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    Re: Ukraine begins artillery withdrawal, recognizing truce is holding

    According to the international ceasefire monitors (OSCE), all parties have agreed to a definite "Line of Contact" (i.e. demarcation line)...

    February 24, 2015
    At the temporary Joint Centre for Control and Coordination (JCCC) headquarters re-located to government-controlled Soledar (77km north of Donetsk), those present, including officers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the Russian Federation Armed Forces and members of the “DPR” and “Lugansk People’s Republic” (“LPR”) gave the SMM the latest map of the region with a definite line of contact agreed upon by all.

    Ukraine - OSCE Special Monitoring Mission
    I'm fairly certain that the city of Mariupol remains on the government side of the LoC.


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    Re: Ukraine begins artillery withdrawal, recognizing truce is holding

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    It will last only as long as it takes Putin to rearm and resupply his proxies. Kharkiv is the next target with pro Russian 'terrorist' bombings already under way

    Bomb blast at pro-Ukraine rally in Kharkiv kills 2; Kiev blames Russia - LA Times
    I don't think Kharkiv will be the target of the next rebel assault, if there is one. IF there is one, it would more likely be Mariupol.

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    Re: Ukraine begins artillery withdrawal, recognizing truce is holding

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    According to the international ceasefire monitors (OSCE), all parties have agreed to a definite "Line of Contact" (i.e. demarcation line)...



    I'm fairly certain that the city of Mariupol remains on the government side of the LoC.
    I think the ceasefire will hold for a while. But if the rebels do launch another assault, Mariupol would be the logical target.

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    Re: Ukraine begins artillery withdrawal, recognizing truce is holding

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I don't think Kharkiv will be the target of the next rebel assault, if there is one. IF there is one, it would more likely be Mariupol.
    True Mariupol is gone sooner rather than later. The establishment of a coastal land corridor linking the East with the Crimea seems to be the objective. The groundwork for Kharkiv though is already under way

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    Re: Ukraine begins artillery withdrawal, recognizing truce is holding

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    True Mariupol is gone sooner rather than later. The establishment of a coastal land corridor linking the East with the Crimea seems to be the objective. The groundwork for Kharkiv though is already under way
    If a satisfactory solution is not found, that is probably so.

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    Re: Ukraine begins artillery withdrawal, recognizing truce is holding

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    If a satisfactory solution is not found, that is probably so.
    Obviously a Russian ground avenue to Crimea is important.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine begins artillery withdrawal, recognizing truce is holding

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Who knows, maybe this one will work for a while at least.



    Ukraine begins artillery withdrawal, recognizing truce is holding | Reuters
    They need to pull that artillery back to Kiev.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine begins artillery withdrawal, recognizing truce is holding

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Obviously a Russian ground avenue to Crimea is important.
    And what if the majority Ukrainian populations already living there don't want that ?

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