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    FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fcc-ad...ail&soc_trk=ma

    It passed! I think this is a good thing. It protects consumers and businesses alike, to ensure that a business on the internet has enough internet speed so as not to discourage users from using its site, and prevents telecom companies from blackmailing them (pay us a "special fee" every year, and we'll protect you against us; otherwise, we'll slow down your speed so that you won't get any traffic). That ensures that we the consumers will get search results that are more reflective of what's out there on the internet, and not just results from the bigger businesses that have paid the "special fees."

    The internet was net neutral in the beginning. Along the way the telecom companies devised this scheme to blackmail businesses, so that they were not only gouging consumers, they could gouge businesses, too.
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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fcc-ad...ail&soc_trk=ma

    It passed! I think this is a good thing. It protects consumers and businesses alike, to ensure that a business on the internet has enough internet speed so as not to discourage users from using its site, and prevents telecom companies from blackmailing them (pay us a "special fee" every year, and we'll protect you against us; otherwise, we'll slow down your speed so that you won't get any traffic). That ensures that we the consumers will get search results that are more reflective of what's out there on the internet, and not just results from the bigger businesses that have paid the "special fees."

    The internet was net neutral in the beginning. Along the way the telecom companies devised this scheme to blackmail businesses, so that they were not only gouging consumers, they could gouge businesses, too.
    I am concerned that the medicine may be worse than the illness.
    Sine we do not really know what all is in the new rules, I think we should wait and
    see what the rules actually say.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fcc-ad...ail&soc_trk=ma

    It passed! I think this is a good thing. It protects consumers and businesses alike, to ensure that a business on the internet has enough internet speed so as not to discourage users from using its site, and prevents telecom companies from blackmailing them (pay us a "special fee" every year, and we'll protect you against us; otherwise, we'll slow down your speed so that you won't get any traffic). That ensures that we the consumers will get search results that are more reflective of what's out there on the internet, and not just results from the bigger businesses that have paid the "special fees."

    The internet was net neutral in the beginning. Along the way the telecom companies devised this scheme to blackmail businesses, so that they were not only gouging consumers, they could gouge businesses, too.
    It also will under price data movement in the net and so lead to reduced investment, slower advance and too much traffic.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I am concerned that the medicine may be worse than the illness.
    Sine we do not really know what all is in the new rules, I think we should wait and
    see what the rules actually say.
    Fair enough.

    However, if it's a choice between the FCC and ISP's, that's like asking whether you prefer eating brown **** or green ****.

    This idea that just because the FCC is behind the regulations, it must be bad is rooted in partisan politics. This isn't a left vs. right issue. The internet SHOULD be free and accessible to all, the internet is the greatest tool capitalism has ever known. The fact that ISP's want to stifle this should side you more on the FCC side.

    ISP's are some of the notoriously worst companies in America. We are forced to deal with them due to lack of competition. That's why despite the fact that Comcast is universally hated, they are still in business. No one else to do business with in many areas of the country. Giving them the right to decide who pays what, whose internet gets throttled, etc is outrageous.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by akrunner88 View Post
    Fair enough.

    However, if it's a choice between the FCC and ISP's, that's like asking whether you prefer eating brown **** or green ****.

    This idea that just because the FCC is behind the regulations, it must be bad is rooted in partisan politics. This isn't a left vs. right issue. The internet SHOULD be free and accessible to all, the internet is the greatest tool capitalism has ever known. The fact that ISP's want to stifle this should side you more on the FCC side.

    ISP's are some of the notoriously worst companies in America. We are forced to deal with them due to lack of competition. That's why despite the fact that Comcast is universally hated, they are still in business. No one else to do business with in many areas of the country. Giving them the right to decide who pays what, whose internet gets throttled, etc is outrageous.
    And by the same token, this idea that just because the FCC is behind the regulations, it must be good is perhaps even more foolish. The idea that replacing big business with big government will improve things is just not backed up by experience.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by akrunner88 View Post
    Fair enough.

    However, if it's a choice between the FCC and ISP's, that's like asking whether you prefer eating brown **** or green ****.

    This idea that just because the FCC is behind the regulations, it must be bad is rooted in partisan politics. This isn't a left vs. right issue. The internet SHOULD be free and accessible to all, the internet is the greatest tool capitalism has ever known. The fact that ISP's want to stifle this should side you more on the FCC side.

    ISP's are some of the notoriously worst companies in America. We are forced to deal with them due to lack of competition. That's why despite the fact that Comcast is universally hated, they are still in business. No one else to do business with in many areas of the country. Giving them the right to decide who pays what, whose internet gets throttled, etc is outrageous.
    What you are missing is the FCC is responsible for creating the monopoly that Comcast enjoys.
    Different phone companies get different territories, and are exclusive in that territory.
    Under deregulation, a competitor can operate in one of these exclusive territories,
    but needs to rent space in the competitors building. (CLEC)
    Competitive local exchange carrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    There were issues with the way it was working, I am concerned that in fixing the issues,
    We might end up with fewer choices, not more.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It also will under price data movement in the net and so lead to reduced investment, slower advance and too much traffic.
    How? Internet providers have started capping and creating different cost plans based on internet usage. In that aspect they are directly competing for consumers through providing the most bandwidth for the least amount of money. Through charging content providers they were both playing a part in which content providers can provide the best service to their customers (fast lanes vs slow lanes) and increasing internet fees in a roundabout manner (through content providers).

    If they had forced content providers to pay up in the past there's a possibility that Youtube would of never been able to compete against a better funded Google Video.

    I'm not sure how there's a "reduced investment" argument because consumers will be able to directly price and compare internet providers rather than Comcast using their size to get payments from Netflix/HBO/Amazon/Xbox etc.
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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It also will under price data movement in the net and so lead to reduced investment, slower advance and too much traffic.
    That is the argument from those people who get paid big bucks by the network companies to have that opinion. I find that opinion to be nonsense.
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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by akrunner88 View Post
    Fair enough.

    However, if it's a choice between the FCC and ISP's, that's like asking whether you prefer eating brown **** or green ****.

    This idea that just because the FCC is behind the regulations, it must be bad is rooted in partisan politics. This isn't a left vs. right issue. The internet SHOULD be free and accessible to all, the internet is the greatest tool capitalism has ever known. The fact that ISP's want to stifle this should side you more on the FCC side.

    ISP's are some of the notoriously worst companies in America. We are forced to deal with them due to lack of competition. That's why despite the fact that Comcast is universally hated, they are still in business. No one else to do business with in many areas of the country. Giving them the right to decide who pays what, whose internet gets throttled, etc is outrageous.
    You do know that ISP have expenses that need to be met?? Things like payroll, hardware, software, etc.
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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I am concerned that the medicine may be worse than the illness.
    Sine we do not really know what all is in the new rules, I think we should wait and
    see what the rules actually say.
    That reminds me of a line from the movie Paint Your Wagon. When a Mormon man rides into the rough mining town that has no women, and he has two wives, the pretty wife without the newborn agrees to be sold at auction.

    Mormon husband: But Wife! You don't know what you'll get!

    Wife: I may not know what I'll get. But I know what I've had.
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