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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Somebody will sue and somebody will introduce legislation to stop it. It is how the regulatory process works.
    There is no reason for the courts to stop this that I can see. And any legislation will be vetoed. So the rules will stand for at least two years and will probably be very hard to undo if not impossible. So we are likely stuck with this decision for good or ill. That is not how a free society should operate.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I understand what you are saying. You are wrong. The idea that a business is more accountable to the population than the government, and therefore is somehow more trustworthy, is wrong.
    Businesses go out of business all the time for precisely that reason. Governments only grow more powerful. Again, try to be a least a little skeptical when the state issues a new edict. Dont just swallow it whole because that edict came from your guy.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Who the hell is Tom Wheeler? How and why this guy no one has heard of has the power to alter something that effects virtually every American without debate is something everyone should oppose.
    The funny thing is when he was appointed most of us were worried he'd line up with the big telecom and ISP providers on everything, given his background (he was a cable company lobbyist). He's turned out to actually be an independent thinker.

    By the way - he was unanimously confirmed by the Senate. Not like no one knew who he was.
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    And setting regulations IS HIS JOB. He's doing it.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    That is totally false. A big corporation that isn't responsive to the consumer goes out of business. No one voted for this new regulation, no one debated it. Our elected officials didn't vote on it. This is being IMPOSED by the state by unelected bureaucrats.
    Not really. Businesses will continue on their way even if consumers don't like it. It's rare they get punished for bad decisions.

    Wheeler was appointed by Pres Obama and confirmed by the Senate - unanimously.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    The funny thing is when he was appointed most of us were worried he'd line up with the big telecom and ISP providers on everything, given his background (he was a cable company lobbyist). He's turned out to actually be an independent thinker.

    By the way - he was unanimously confirmed by the Senate. Not like no one knew who he was.
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    And setting regulations IS HIS JOB. He's doing it.
    Im not saying he lacks the authority to do it, I am saying he should lack the authority to do it. Congress set up these agencies and they now operate like an unelected fourth branch of government. And that isn't a good thing. Free people should be governed, not ruled.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Not really. Businesses will continue on their way even if consumers don't like it. It's rare they get punished for bad decisions.
    Give me two examples.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    Actually, that's not exactly right. This site would not be affected either way. This site is mainly a text based site. It doesn't use that much bandwidth in the overall "internet of things". Netflix, Facebook, and Youtube are just about the only sites it affects now. Those are heavy content sites with both uploads and downloads going on consistently especially during peak hours. It was recently reported that Netflix and Youtube combined uses half of the internet's bandwidth.
    a lot of it depends on how many big players are buying their way into the fast lane. that makes the slow lane narrower and narrower. anyway, it's not just about us. it's also about the next twitter, Facebook, or Netflix. try starting up one of those when you don't just have to buy fast servers but you also have to pay a toll to stay out of the slow lane.

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    ISPs were thinking far ahead while charging these hoggers for their content. As other sites get on with equal amounts of content being consumed on a daily basis EG: Something as popular or more popular than Netflix is bound to emerge... It just makes more sense for the ISPs to prefer people use their own content. Why shouldn't Netflix pay more?
    as i said, a startup that can't afford preferential treatment is that much more unlikely to get a foothold.

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    The ISPs can only build up their infrastructure so fast. Look at Google. Despite how amazing it is that they can produce fiber internet, they are only in five cities!
    judging by the ridiculous cost we pay for high speed access, they can figure out some way to keep up with data demands without dividing the internet up into fast and slow lanes.

    Quote Originally Posted by ModerateGOP View Post
    A fundamental problem with the Pro neuters agenda is the notion that ISPs will start charging people for how much content they use. While this is technically accurate. It has nothing to do with the data/bandwidth/your pocket. It's billion dollar companies fighting with each other. Nowhere near the personal level.
    it's my opinion that some of them own too much of the market, and we'd all be better off if there was a bit more competition.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    lol you take his word for it?
    especially since that approach was opposed by the past FCC chair - Colin Powell's dumb ass son [Powell's autobiography discusses his son's slow mental development]
    Michael Powell Exposed! The FCC Chairman Has No Clothes (washingtonpost.com)
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    From what I've gathered, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, large data volume data content providers, such as NetFlix, can't / aren't allowed to invest and pay for the high speed data lines to the head ends of ISPs network to effectively distribute their content anymore. So given this disincentive, they aren't going to anymore.

    So if everyone ready to accept NetFlix that doesn't download and play properly? A sure fire way to please your customers. Seems almost like these regs are going to kill the new content media companies.
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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    There is no reason for the courts to stop this that I can see. And any legislation will be vetoed. So the rules will stand for at least two years and will probably be very hard to undo if not impossible. So we are likely stuck with this decision for good or ill. That is not how a free society should operate.
    I would rather it not had come to this, but it was inevitable. Many of the same people who lament the government becoming involved were the same people who bitched that companies were charging a select group of bandwidth hogs extra to suck up their bandwidth and how that was wrong. Enacting regulations allowing peering charges and tiered servicing is simply a way to avoid a bunch of litigation down the road with courts imposing their will upon the industry.

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