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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fcc-ad...ail&soc_trk=ma

    It passed! I think this is a good thing. It protects consumers and businesses alike, to ensure that a business on the internet has enough internet speed so as not to discourage users from using its site, and prevents telecom companies from blackmailing them (pay us a "special fee" every year, and we'll protect you against us; otherwise, we'll slow down your speed so that you won't get any traffic). That ensures that we the consumers will get search results that are more reflective of what's out there on the internet, and not just results from the bigger businesses that have paid the "special fees."

    The internet was net neutral in the beginning. Along the way the telecom companies devised this scheme to blackmail businesses, so that they were not only gouging consumers, they could gouge businesses, too.
    Can you please site the cases of misuse, abuse and discrimination that warrants a government take-over.

    The only thing I am aware of is exponentially increasing internet speeds as costs continue to drop.
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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    And so the internet which was once a bastion of freedom gets some more regulations to way it down and bring it under the government's control.

    Imo, it is ridiculous if you think the government did this to save people money. They did it (and the other 'side' would have done it if they were in power) so they can control the internet more...one step at a time. I guarantee you the leaders of both parties HATE the freedom the internet gives the ignorant masses.
    Of course, they will say the opposite in front of the cameras.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by Chainsaw View Post
    Can you please site the cases of misuse, abuse and discrimination that warrants a government take-over.

    The only thing I am aware of is exponentially increasing internet spends as costs continue to drop.
    The government is not taking over anything. What makes you think that? You been reading those partisan sites again?

    If you are on the side of small businesses, then you are 100% supportive of net neutrality. Net neutrality merely reinstates what has been the case with broadband use until recently, when the telecom companies came up with a scheme to blackmail businesses. This merely gives the FCC the right to respond to complaints about mafioso tactics.

    Internet costs are not dropping, except in your universe, I guess. I have paid the same amount for the same speed for years. What may have changed are the creation of fictitious high speeds that telecom companies will sell you for less per mbps than if you get, say 3 mbps. But you neither need, nor do you get, 100 mbps, in most cases. Streaming movies only needs about 6 mbps.

    You may not know, but your broadband provider throttles its internet highway, except for certain businesses that have paid up to ensure its services won't be throttled. This regulation seems to put an end to the blackmail, and an end to the broadband provider deciding which services you will be able to see w/o throttling. Throttling can make a service unuseable. Netflix isn't throttled, since it pays about $100M a year to Comcast to prevent that.

    My provider doesn't do that because I have the old timey dsl, which is not throttled.

    Throttling is what some broadband providers do instead of updating their equipment to meet demand.
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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    These things should be debated in congress and in public, not decided behind the scenes by unelected bureaucrats. Even people who like the rules should oppose the way they were arrived at and implemented.
    But but but..than everything would be transparent, can't have that when they can go with the element of SURPRISE!!

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    The government is not taking over anything. What makes you think that? You been reading those partisan sites again?
    Yes they are...one small step at a time. They are increasing regulation on what was once something had virtually none. This more regulation. You cannot actively regulate something without exerting some level of control over it...not possible.

    If you are on the side of small businesses, then you are 100% supportive of net neutrality. Net neutrality merely reinstates what has been the case with broadband use until recently, when the telecom companies came up with a scheme to blackmail businesses. This merely gives the FCC the right to respond to complaints about mafioso tactics.

    Internet costs are not dropping, except in your universe, I guess. I have paid the same amount for the same speed for years. What may have changed are the creation of fictitious high speeds that telecom companies will sell you for less per mbps than if you get, say 3 mbps. But you neither need, nor do you get, 100 mbps, in most cases. Streaming movies only needs about 6 mbps.

    You may not know, but your broadband provider throttles its internet highway, except for certain businesses that have paid up to ensure its services won't be throttled. This regulation seems to put an end to the blackmail, and an end to the broadband provider deciding which services you will be able to see w/o throttling. Throttling can make a service unuseable. Netflix isn't throttled, since it pays about $100M a year to Comcast to prevent that.

    My provider doesn't do that because I have the old timey dsl, which is not throttled.

    Throttling is what some broadband providers do instead of updating their equipment to meet demand.
    Then you either live in the middle of nowhere or you are not doing your homework. Internet speeds/total data per dollar have jumped drastically over the past 5 years or so.

    Where I live, they have jumped at least 3 fold during that time...for less money. At least.


    I don't care what the big boys do. If they rip people off, then smaller companies will come along and offer something better. It's called competition. But anyone that thinks that the government telling corporations how to run their businesses is a good thing has NO IDEA what they are talking about. Look at healthcare. Government was massively involved even before Obamacare and the average U.S> citizen was even then paying by far the most dollars per person on healthcare.


    Competition is ALWAYS good. Government regulation is almost always bad.

    This is bad, not good.

    The only people that see otherwise are either big government lovers or are short sighted, imo.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fcc-ad...ail&soc_trk=ma

    It passed! I think this is a good thing. It protects consumers and businesses alike, to ensure that a business on the internet has enough internet speed so as not to discourage users from using its site, and prevents telecom companies from blackmailing them (pay us a "special fee" every year, and we'll protect you against us; otherwise, we'll slow down your speed so that you won't get any traffic). That ensures that we the consumers will get search results that are more reflective of what's out there on the internet, and not just results from the bigger businesses that have paid the "special fees."

    The internet was net neutral in the beginning. Along the way the telecom companies devised this scheme to blackmail businesses, so that they were not only gouging consumers, they could gouge businesses, too.
    I can't find anything within my logical thinking circuits that makes me optomistic about this legislation and I am all for open and free Internet. As soo as the FED is involved, regulation and TAXES follow as footsteps follow the beach walker. I hope I'm wrong, but this CorpGOV does not work for the people.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    I remember in the nineties when the government deregulated the "internet", it resulted in the largest proliferation of technology, information, and commerce in human history. This "net neutrality" business seems like regression, not progress.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by akrunner88 View Post
    Fair enough.

    However, if it's a choice between the FCC and ISP's, that's like asking whether you prefer eating brown **** or green ****.

    This idea that just because the FCC is behind the regulations, it must be bad is rooted in partisan politics. This isn't a left vs. right issue. The internet SHOULD be free and accessible to all, the internet is the greatest tool capitalism has ever known. The fact that ISP's want to stifle this should side you more on the FCC side.

    ISP's are some of the notoriously worst companies in America. We are forced to deal with them due to lack of competition. That's why despite the fact that Comcast is universally hated, they are still in business. No one else to do business with in many areas of the country. Giving them the right to decide who pays what, whose internet gets throttled, etc is outrageous.
    Many private companies are in a race to provide the entire globe with free high-speed internet. The biggest obstacle they face is government regulations. Your solution to this problem is more government regulations.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    How do you know it does ANY of this? have you read it? has ANYONE read it?
    You will just have to pass to find out what's in it. I'm pretty sure Johnather Gruber had a hand in designing this system.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    ... because we all have dealt with cable television packages that offer premium channel upgrade options.

    No one in their right mind wants to be paying $50 to "upgrade" to a package that offers Wikipedia. Or be held-up by your ISP throttling your service until you pay a service fee.

    We've also seen it in practice. The ISPs have been experimenting with data caps in several markets. Comcast and Verizon were charging Netflix a fee to "ensure" that its data streams to customers weren't being interrupted.
    Is Netflix entitled to limitless bandwidth? Is Netflix some crucial piece of infrastructure that needs to be shielded from predatory corporations?

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