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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by akrunner88 View Post
    Fair enough.

    However, if it's a choice between the FCC and ISP's, that's like asking whether you prefer eating brown **** or green ****.

    This idea that just because the FCC is behind the regulations, it must be bad is rooted in partisan politics. This isn't a left vs. right issue. The internet SHOULD be free and accessible to all, the internet is the greatest tool capitalism has ever known. The fact that ISP's want to stifle this should side you more on the FCC side.

    ISP's are some of the notoriously worst companies in America. We are forced to deal with them due to lack of competition. That's why despite the fact that Comcast is universally hated, they are still in business. No one else to do business with in many areas of the country. Giving them the right to decide who pays what, whose internet gets throttled, etc is outrageous.
    That's an incorrect comparison. It's not telecom companies deciding who gets good service vs the FCC. It's telecom companies vs we the consumers.

    This is how it was for the internet until not too long ago. This is why companies were able to grow large and prosperous: Yahoo, AOL, Amazon, Google, etc.

    Small businesses can't afford to pay the blackmail to the telecom companies, which means traffic to their sites will be slowed down, which costs the businesses and sometimes puts them out of business entirely.
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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fcc-ad...ail&soc_trk=ma

    It passed! I think this is a good thing. It protects consumers and businesses alike, to ensure that a business on the internet has enough internet speed so as not to discourage users from using its site, and prevents telecom companies from blackmailing them (pay us a "special fee" every year, and we'll protect you against us; otherwise, we'll slow down your speed so that you won't get any traffic). That ensures that we the consumers will get search results that are more reflective of what's out there on the internet, and not just results from the bigger businesses that have paid the "special fees."

    The internet was net neutral in the beginning. Along the way the telecom companies devised this scheme to blackmail businesses, so that they were not only gouging consumers, they could gouge businesses, too.
    I just don't understand this argument.

    15 years ago I was paying $40/mo for 1.5 Mb DSL which was a huge increase over the 56Kb dial up I'd had for $25/mo. Now I'm paying something like $60/mo for 50Mb cable.

    I fail to see how any of this indicates that I'm getting screwed. While my cost has more than doubled in 15 years the service I'm getting is 100x better and more consistent. I damned sure can't say the same for the other public utilities I'm paying for. My electric bill is higher but I'm not getting better electricity. My gas bill is higher but I'm not getting better gas. My water bill is higher but that's not getting better either.

    So far the only damned utility I'm paying for that has both gone up in cost and increased in quality is my relatively unregulated internet which, as of a couple of hours ago, has become highly regulated!

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    What you are missing is the FCC is responsible for creating the monopoly that Comcast enjoys.
    Different phone companies get different territories, and are exclusive in that territory.
    Under deregulation, a competitor can operate in one of these exclusive territories,
    but needs to rent space in the competitors building. (CLEC)
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    There were issues with the way it was working, I am concerned that in fixing the issues,
    We might end up with fewer choices, not more.
    I think you misunderstand the regulation. It's more about the relationship of telecom companies with BUSINESSES than the internet service to the public, except to the extent to provide neutral access....by removing the blackmail scheme that telecom companies were inflicting on businesses.

    It would have no effect on competition among the telecom companies to provide service to consumers. I have few choices, and that will remain the case. The difference to me, a consumer, is that when I access a site, I will no longer encounter a site that basically doesn't work because that company couldn't pay the blackmail fee to AT&T. And when I do a search, I'll get a full range of search results from various sites, instead of repeated search results from the same, large internet businesses. Page after page of them. The same businesses. Not too long ago, when I did a search, I'd get pages of results from DIFFERENT businesses. The results were sortable by relevance, date, whatever. The telecom companies started excluding the businesses who didn't pay their blackmail fee. That's not freedom. That's not capitalism. It's thuggery, mafioso style.
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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I am concerned that the medicine may be worse than the illness.
    Sine we do not really know what all is in the new rules, I think we should wait and
    see what the rules actually say.
    what the rules say today is not the only issue

    the internet is now a public utility, and that change in category opens up what rules will be in place in the future.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    How? Internet providers have started capping and creating different cost plans based on internet usage. In that aspect they are directly competing for consumers through providing the most bandwidth for the least amount of money. Through charging content providers they were both playing a part in which content providers can provide the best service to their customers (fast lanes vs slow lanes) and increasing internet fees in a roundabout manner (through content providers).

    If they had forced content providers to pay up in the past there's a possibility that Youtube would of never been able to compete against a better funded Google Video.

    I'm not sure how there's a "reduced investment" argument because consumers will be able to directly price and compare internet providers rather than Comcast using their size to get payments from Netflix/HBO/Amazon/Xbox etc.
    It is a question of public goods and external effects.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    That is the argument from those people who get paid big bucks by the network companies to have that opinion. I find that opinion to be nonsense.
    Maybe. I wouldn't know. But it is the argument most economists would look at.

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    FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    I worry about this decision because from what I've read, there is nothing stopping ISPs from jacking up rates to make up the difference now that they can't charge companies more for faster download speeds. They'll just raise the rate for everyone, and in turn pass it on to the consumer.

    Plus, now that the FCC has control, it is only a matter of time until decency standards are mandated, no cursing, no nudity, etc., just like with network television and radio. Freedom of speech and expression will be stifled.

    This does not sound at all like a good thing to me.

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fcc-ad...ail&soc_trk=ma

    It passed! I think this is a good thing. It protects consumers and businesses alike, to ensure that a business on the internet has enough internet speed so as not to discourage users from using its site, and prevents telecom companies from blackmailing them (pay us a "special fee" every year, and we'll protect you against us; otherwise, we'll slow down your speed so that you won't get any traffic). That ensures that we the consumers will get search results that are more reflective of what's out there on the internet, and not just results from the bigger businesses that have paid the "special fees."

    The internet was net neutral in the beginning. Along the way the telecom companies devised this scheme to blackmail businesses, so that they were not only gouging consumers, they could gouge businesses, too.




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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    According to FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler, the person responsible for for net neutrality plan voted on today, the new regulations seek to "ban blocking, ban throttling, and ban paid-prioritization fast lanes", while preventing the implementation of any new taxes. I am in agreement with these broad ideas, which essentially keep the internet the way it is now. Still, I don't like that the complete plan has not been released to the public and only a summary has been made available (Chairman Wheeler Proposes New Rules for Protecting the Open Internet | FCC.gov). I suppose all we have to go on at the moment is a hope that the FCC will not overstep the bounds it has communicated to the public .

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    Re: FCC adopts Net neutrality rules to ban Internet discrimination

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I just don't understand this argument.

    15 years ago I was paying $40/mo for 1.5 Mb DSL which was a huge increase over the 56Kb dial up I'd had for $25/mo. Now I'm paying something like $60/mo for 50Mb cable.

    I fail to see how any of this indicates that I'm getting screwed. While my cost has more than doubled in 15 years the service I'm getting is 100x better and more consistent. I damned sure can't say the same for the other public utilities I'm paying for. My electric bill is higher but I'm not getting better electricity. My gas bill is higher but I'm not getting better gas. My water bill is higher but that's not getting better either.

    So far the only damned utility I'm paying for that has both gone up in cost and increased in quality is my relatively unregulated internet which, as of a couple of hours ago, has become highly regulated!
    That's a great post. Had to quote it just because a simple like isn't sufficient.

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