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Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

You only make that distinction because you don't understand that there are other powers besides Govt. that can restrict freedom and do harm to our society. Sad really. Being so myopic is a disease.

I only make that distinction because the distinction exists
 
so much misinformation in so few words... it's actually impressive.... well done.

Greetings, Thrilla. :2wave:

I'm probably missing something, but if my internet speed changes from what it currently is, I'm going to have to pay more to my ISP provider to bring it back to where it was? :shock:
 
Huh ? The vote was along party lines.
It had everything to do with Obama, its his MO.

The political mechanism is irrelevant, the right thing was accomplished.
 
so much misinformation in so few words... it's actually impressive.... well done.

Name a single IT association that wasn't part of an ISP interest group that did not support net neutrality.

Everyone that is a significant and important part of the internet supported NN along with the people who are educated on the issue.

Tell me, what is inaccurate about what I said?
 
Greetings, Thrilla. :2wave:

I'm probably missing something, but if my internet speed changes from what it currently is, I'm going to have to pay more to my ISP provider to bring it back to where it was? :shock:

I've no clue what is going to happen to actual performance, maybe something, maybe nothing... nobody here knows either.

furthermore, it will be quite a while before any of this takes effect.... there will be court battles to get through first.
my money is on the FCC losing in court... they have made some grave errors that can't be overlooked.
 
Name a single IT association that wasn't part of an ISP interest group that did not support net neutrality.

Everyone that is a significant and important part of the internet supported NN along with the people who are educated on the issue.

Tell me, what is inaccurate about what I said?

nah... i'd rather you stick to being inaccurate.... it's more entertaining that way.
 
I get a kick out of the Verizon statement regarding the FCC decision -

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http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/assets/docs/VZ_NR_--_2-26-15_VZ_Statement_on_Open_Internet_Order_FINAL_1.pdf
 
So amendments are not Federal regulations? They certainly are and they protect our rights from abuse.

Hey, it's okay if you don't understand the difference. I was just surprised is all.
 
First off, the government doesn't enforce free speech. It provides a mechanism by which individuals and entities who believe that their right to free speech has been violated can obtain remedy for that violation if, indeed, such a violation occurred.

Second, government control does not create or protect any rights. In fact the very nature of government control is that restricts the rights of one entity in favor of the rights of another. The classic example of this is the enforcement of laws. When the government exercises control in the form of law enforcement people go to prison.

Thanks for agreeing with me. We have free speech because the govt. "provides the mechanism by which individuals and entities who believe that their right to free speech has been violated can obtain remedy for that violation if, indeed, such a violation occurred."
These net neutrality rules do the same thing for the internet. The no blocking, no throttling and no paid prioritization rules assure all of us equal access and will prevent the monopolization of the internet by large providers. You guys always want to hand the keys to the chicken coop to the foxes. It is a strange mentality.
 

Verizon's statement sounds just like one from Bank of America might have sounded if we had failed to pass the banking deregulation measures in 2000. Imagine if we had "restricted" the banks "innovations' and we didn't have the financial meltdown in 2008? I really feel like we dodged a bullet by getting this after reading that BS from Verizon.
 
explain how todays decison helps our freedoms to chose what services we want have..

why should it be equal? this sounds a lot like Obamacare

1. That wasn't the point of the ruling, if you think it is, you misunderstood it
2. Why should what be equal?
3. Because the telecommunications and medical industries are the same thing, right?
 
Verizon's statement sounds just like one from Bank of America might have sounded if we had failed to pass the banking deregulation measures in 2000. Imagine if we had "restricted" the banks "innovations' and we didn't have the financial meltdown in 2008? I really feel like we dodged a bullet by getting this after reading that BS from Verizon.

You mean when Clinton signed the Commodities and Futures Modernization Act ?
 
So amendments are not Federal regulations? They certainly are and they protect our rights from abuse.

Um no.

A Constitutional Amendment is voted by the full Congress and ratified by 2/3rds of the State Assemblies.

A Federal regulation is designed and enacted by un-elected officials, and enforced by agents under the Executive branch.

Equating the two is a sure sign of a needed Civics class.
 
Name a single IT association that wasn't part of an ISP interest group that did not support net neutrality.

Everyone that is a significant and important part of the internet supported NN along with the people who are educated on the issue.

Tell me, what is inaccurate about what I said?
I'll admit that NN confuses me. But, if you are saying that the ISPs are all supporting this, then isn't that reason to question it?
 
I'll admit that NN confuses me. But, if you are saying that the ISPs are all supporting this, then isn't that reason to question it?

No, the ISPs are NOT supporting it. They wanted fast lanes and the ability to discriminate against data at their whim. They fought really, really hard over the past few years and spent 100s of millions of dollars trying to do the opposite of what passed.
 
thank you

what we expect....

the problem is why didnt we KNOW....why werent the rules disclosed?

why wasnt the whole thing put on display, and put up for public debate

you hope that is all that is in there....

what if it isnt? what then?

will you still toe the official line?

We'll have to see, I'm pretty certain there won't be any surprises, that would be pretty strange.
 
No, the ISPs are NOT supporting it. They wanted fast lanes and the ability to discriminate against data at their whim. They fought really, really hard over the past few years and spent 100s of millions of dollars trying to do the opposite of what passed.

Just imagine how great its going to be when they apply the same data prioritization for email and video!
 
Dear Verizon;

You're right. A light touch policy worked before, because you and your fellow ISPs were more or less behaving yourselves. Then you went and ****ed it up. Now you're getting regulated.

Get ****ed,
Deuce

And you think you will BENEFIT by that regulation? Oh what a wonderful world you believe you live in where there is no government regulation that isn't just rainbows and candycanes. :lamo
 
Elaborate.

No packet prioritization based on protocol or saturation. In order to ensure there is enough room for everything on the backbones, everything will be throttled.
 
No packet prioritization based on protocol or saturation. In order to ensure there is enough room for everything on the backbones, everything will be throttled.

More big gubamint for da win! Wooohoo!
:2party:
 
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