Page 27 of 29 FirstFirst ... 172526272829 LastLast
Results 261 to 270 of 290

Thread: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

  1. #261
    Sage
    Fenton's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:23 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    26,304

    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Yeah, you are a typical for a partisan rabid Limbaugh suxing conservative.. Just tell half the story.

    The Republicans had just as much to do with the crash, maybe even more to do with the crash as the Dems. The difference is most Libs will admit the Dems also had something to do with the crash, but you kool-aide drinking lemming conservatives refuse to admit that Gramm and the rest of the GOP also had a hand in the crash.

    Drink away.
    Hey, there's nothing stopping you from adding your two cents and implicating all these supposed " GOPers ". Its a debate forum and posting something of substance, instead of the empty rhetoric you just posted is encouraged.

    But if you post something false or inaccurate Im going to correct it.
    The New Democratic Party Slogan :

    " Return to Power By Any Means Necessary "

  2. #262
    Sage
    Fenton's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:23 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    26,304

    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Yeah, you are a typical for a partisan rabid Limbaugh suxing conservative.. Just tell half the story.

    The Republicans had just as much to do with the crash, maybe even more to do with the crash as the Dems. The difference is most Libs will admit the Dems also had something to do with the crash, but you kool-aide drinking lemming conservatives refuse to admit that Gramm and the rest of the GOP also had a hand in the crash.

    Drink away.
    Again, instead of posting nonsensical platitudes and talking points I encourage you to post something substantial. If the GOP truly did do MORE to create the Sub-Prime bubble ( they didn't, the Democrats are neck deep in the Sub-prime mortgage crisis and I can prove it ) then post something informative.

    Do the research and then come back and post something that's worth reading.

    I've been doing research on the Sub-prime bubble for a few years now and I can post a detailed account that goes all the way back to 1992 so fair warning. If you DO post somthing that's lazy, or just wrong I'll correct it.
    The New Democratic Party Slogan :

    " Return to Power By Any Means Necessary "

  3. #263
    Sage
    SenorXm/Sirius's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Location
    Northeast US
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:40 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    7,719

    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I've been doing research on the Sub-prime bubble for a few years now and I can post a detailed account that goes all the way back to 1992 so fair warning. If you DO post somthing that's lazy, or just wrong I'll correct it.
    Funny thing is, so have I. I've discussed it to death. I read about it for years. It came up in this thread because you pointed at Clinton because he signed the Commodities and Futures Modernization Act, implying that him and him alone caused the crash. If you are such an expert then you know that was a Republican bill. So if you going to be fair don't just point at Clinton. You want me to post something substantial but all you did was post a 1/2 truth about the CFM Act? Look in the mirror.

    That was my point, that's all. I think we dragged this thread far enough off-topic.
    Last edited by SenorXm/Sirius; 02-28-15 at 08:48 AM.

  4. #264
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Tennessee
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    21,809

    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Hey, there's nothing stopping you from adding your two cents and implicating all these supposed " GOPers ". Its a debate forum and posting something of substance, instead of the empty rhetoric you just posted is encouraged.

    But if you post something false or inaccurate Im going to correct it.
    There isn't any point debating with an ideologue who proposes a timeline of a crisis that entirely omits one of the major parties involved.

  5. #265
    Guru

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:52 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    2,671

    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    You have a point there, this net neutrality bill was a law created to address a problem that doesnt exist. It just adds another layer to the country's over bloated bureaucracy.
    How can you say that it doesn't exist? There have been numerous rulings by the FCC barring non-competitive practices under net neutrality rules the court recently invalidated. In 2007 Comcast was found guilty of throttling P2P users, recently they were found to have deliberatly throttled netflix traffic to aid in negotiations.

    Declaring broadband to be title II does not add any additional regulation. After all, the internet used to be regulated as title II. This isn't a government take over of anything. There were regulations in place, Comcast fought them on the grounds that they weren't legal under title I status. The courts agreed and said that you need to define the internet as title II in order to implement the existing regulations, and now that's exactly what happened.

  6. #266
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Republic of Florida
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    14,036

    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by akrunner88 View Post
    For me the fact that access to the Internet is throttled, prohibits growth of emerging tech, but also costs us a lot of money. The United States doesn't even rank in the top 20 in Internet speed. The real question is why does the idea of regulated Internet spook people off? When the current providers already provide ****ty service at a premium price.
    To be fair, those countries that are in the top 20 are all small and new to the internet. Look at the historical compared to the US. Ours is a steady climb. Everyone above us has very recent gains, and some are headed down. Singapore, Hong Kong, Monaco are city states. As with everything else, the US has the largest variety of options, the best of everything and the worst of everything. Thats what freedom is.

    Download Speed by Country | Net Index from Ookla

  7. #267
    Almost respectable

    Cardinal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    35,036

    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You will disagree, because as you alluded to previously, that's just what we do here at DP, but... by not directly answering the question regarding why it cannot be open and above board, and especially asking what might be wrong as if you think someone kept in the dark would even be able to answer that, you are actually arguing in favor of my point that it should be open and above board. There's no legitimate reason for it not to be, and blindly trusting the government to do right isn't a good counterargument. In fact, it comes off as either naive, or being argumentative simply for the sake of being argumentative.
    It is "open and aboveboard." It's a title ii utility. We have those, we know what they mean, it's a non-issue. No offense, but I suspect that the libertarian/conservative hysteria may be infectious, and it's probably gotten to you a little. Oh, not full blown wackadoodle like you're seeing from others in this thread, to be sure, but they've made you more concerned than is factually warranted. As Mithros just observed above, the FCC regulated the internet as a title ii utility for four years and everything was fine (well, "fine" with regards to the concerns posited about regulating the internet. Other things not related to the regulation certainly weren't fine at all, but that's a separate discussion).

    Sadly, the misinformation won't stop here. Remember how the very instant the PPACA passed every lemonade stand that closed was put down to Obamacare? You'll be seeing the same thing here for a while: every business that closes, every failed website that goes down, every hicup in internet service...anything at all...will be explained by the re-enactment of this regulation.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 02-28-15 at 10:37 AM.

  8. #268
    Almost respectable

    Cardinal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    35,036

    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    By the way, did anyone else think it was a coincidence that Time Warner went down across most of the country on the same exact day the FCC declared the internet a utility?

  9. #269
    Outer space potato man

    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:55 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    51,821

    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    You have a point there, this net neutrality bill was a law created to address a problem that doesnt exist. It just adds another layer to the country's over bloated bureaucracy.
    We were already seeing paid prioritization pop up, almost immediately after that became legal last year. You can't claim the problem doesn't exist.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

  10. #270
    Guru

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:52 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    2,671

    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    By the way, did anyone else think it was a coincidence that Time Warner went down across most of the country on the same exact day the FCC declared the internet a utility?
    I wouldn't put it past them. What else would you expect from companies that thrive on treating new customers well and gouging existing customers?


    Remember the VoIP debacle. Comcast et al fought like hell to have its VoIP service treated as a Title I, instead of a Title II like every other phone service. Then they went out and filed suit to gain the access charges and mandatory interconnection guarenteed by Title II status. They didn't want to have to negotiate interconnections with other phone companies, they wanted the government to step in and force ATT etc to treat Comcast like just another phone company. The only innovation these companies provide is legal wrangling.

    https://www.publicknowledge.org/news...out-as-part-of

Page 27 of 29 FirstFirst ... 172526272829 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •