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    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Name a single IT association that wasn't part of an ISP interest group that did not support net neutrality.

    Everyone that is a significant and important part of the internet supported NN along with the people who are educated on the issue.

    Tell me, what is inaccurate about what I said?
    nah... i'd rather you stick to being inaccurate.... it's more entertaining that way.

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    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    I get a kick out of the Verizon statement regarding the FCC decision -

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    http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/asse...er_FINAL_1.pdf

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    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So amendments are not Federal regulations? They certainly are and they protect our rights from abuse.
    Hey, it's okay if you don't understand the difference. I was just surprised is all.
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    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    First off, the government doesn't enforce free speech. It provides a mechanism by which individuals and entities who believe that their right to free speech has been violated can obtain remedy for that violation if, indeed, such a violation occurred.

    Second, government control does not create or protect any rights. In fact the very nature of government control is that restricts the rights of one entity in favor of the rights of another. The classic example of this is the enforcement of laws. When the government exercises control in the form of law enforcement people go to prison.
    Thanks for agreeing with me. We have free speech because the govt. "provides the mechanism by which individuals and entities who believe that their right to free speech has been violated can obtain remedy for that violation if, indeed, such a violation occurred."
    These net neutrality rules do the same thing for the internet. The no blocking, no throttling and no paid prioritization rules assure all of us equal access and will prevent the monopolization of the internet by large providers. You guys always want to hand the keys to the chicken coop to the foxes. It is a strange mentality.

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    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I get a kick out of the Verizon statement regarding the FCC decision -


    http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/asse...er_FINAL_1.pdf
    Verizon's statement sounds just like one from Bank of America might have sounded if we had failed to pass the banking deregulation measures in 2000. Imagine if we had "restricted" the banks "innovations' and we didn't have the financial meltdown in 2008? I really feel like we dodged a bullet by getting this after reading that BS from Verizon.

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    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    explain how todays decison helps our freedoms to chose what services we want have..

    why should it be equal? this sounds a lot like Obamacare
    1. That wasn't the point of the ruling, if you think it is, you misunderstood it
    2. Why should what be equal?
    3. Because the telecommunications and medical industries are the same thing, right?

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    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Verizon's statement sounds just like one from Bank of America might have sounded if we had failed to pass the banking deregulation measures in 2000. Imagine if we had "restricted" the banks "innovations' and we didn't have the financial meltdown in 2008? I really feel like we dodged a bullet by getting this after reading that BS from Verizon.
    You mean when Clinton signed the Commodities and Futures Modernization Act ?

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    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    I believe this is the most accurate summary of what we can expect.

    Chairman Wheeler Proposes New Rules for Protecting the Open Internet | FCC.gov
    thank you

    what we expect....

    the problem is why didnt we KNOW....why werent the rules disclosed?

    why wasnt the whole thing put on display, and put up for public debate

    you hope that is all that is in there....

    what if it isnt? what then?

    will you still toe the official line?
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    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You mean when Clinton signed the Commodities and Futures Modernization Act ?
    Don't stop by just pointing a finger at Clinton. Please tell the whole story.

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    Re: Live feed to the FCC vote on Net Neutrality.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So amendments are not Federal regulations? They certainly are and they protect our rights from abuse.
    Um no.

    A Constitutional Amendment is voted by the full Congress and ratified by 2/3rds of the State Assemblies.

    A Federal regulation is designed and enacted by un-elected officials, and enforced by agents under the Executive branch.

    Equating the two is a sure sign of a needed Civics class.

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