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    Re: ‘Jihadi John’: Islamic State killer is identified as Londoner Mohammed Emwazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    True, nonetheless he's a dead man walking.
    I'd like to thnk so but who is going to get him? Recall how Obama said he would capture those who did the killing in Benghazi? You have more confidence in western leadership than I do.

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    Re: ‘Jihadi John’: Islamic State killer is identified as Londoner Mohammed Emwazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I'd like to thnk so but who is going to get him? Recall how Obama said he would capture those who did the killing in Benghazi? You have more confidence in western leadership than I do.
    I don't have much confidence in Obama but he did get Bin Laden, gotta give him credit for that.

    I'd like to think the Brits would get him. He's their mess, it would be most suitable if they cleaned it up.

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    Re: ‘Jihadi John’: Islamic State killer is identified as Londoner Mohammed Emwazi

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    You are on to something there. What jihadists fear most is being humiliated. That is why they try so hard to make themselves look invincible, able to slaughter people at will, but shielded by their faith from even the most powerful enemies. They have devoted a lot of effort to videos that show them triumphant, usually accompanied by powerful, spellbinding music. The basso voices chant to a hypnotic drumbeat as the jihadists behead or immolate their powerless, quivering captives, or their planes make enormous fireballs of the Trade Center Towers, or their warriors blow up a convoy of American vehicles.

    But all the puffery looks less impressive when you see a video like the one I saw recently. Several of these great warriors stand in a street looking and sounding very lost, as down at the end of the block, what is left of a vehicle blazes away. It's blazing because a couple minutes earlier, one of the jihadists' bomb experts and a couple of his pals were in that vehicle when a missile came out of the sky, with no warning whatever, and hit them with twenty pounds or so of high explosive.

    I think the great warriors would seem much less invincible if, one night, heavy U.S. bombers destroyed every bridge in every city they occupy without even seeming to exert much effort. They would seem even more vulnerable if, several nights later, these aircraft blew up water utilities in all those places. There might be a pause of a couple weeks to let these lessons sink in on the inhabitants who are sheltering these jihadists, and then, one night, all the petroleum refineries, say, put out of commission. One night later still, all the electricity might go down in Raqaa, and Mosul, and Ramadi, and Tikrit, and every other place they claim to control, or the rail lines or airports serving these places made inoperable, or the gas or telephone utilities shut down.

    It would soon become clear to everyone watching this steady, relentless crippling that behind their bravado, the supposedly all-powerful jihadists were in fact the "weak horse"--that they could do absolutely nothing to stop it. We should not wring our hands about whether the predominantly Sunni populations in these places would resent the United States for this kind of thing. What is important is that the jihadists in Iraq and Syria should not be allowed to look like they are thumbing their noses at this country, and getting away with it. It is exactly that perception which contributes to the jihadists' prestige and appeal.

    I say all this because it's what I think should be done--not because I harbor any illusions that this sorry excuse for a president will ever go much beyond the pinpricks he's confined himself to so far. He doesn't give a damn how many innocent people these rats murder. All he cares about is appearing to do something, while doing nothing that counts much.
    I like it. An air campaign at the same level as Gulf 1 or Gulf 2, which crippled the opposition. This time, the opposition would be ISIS.

    What you are saying about the puffery and such seems to make a lot of sense, and such an air campaign would deflate all that puffer in full view of the world, as well as those under ISIS control, and to themselves as well.
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    Re: ‘Jihadi John’: Islamic State killer is identified as Londoner Mohammed Emwazi

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Because nobody has occupied Europe or North America- if there was a military occupation and armed intervention by foreign powers, you can bet that a lot of people from the West would become terrorists.
    The Japanese 'blades of grass' quote from WW II applies.
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    Re: ‘Jihadi John’: Islamic State killer is identified as Londoner Mohammed Emwazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The problem for the western democracies, especially in Europe, is that they have imported too many Muslims to the point where meaningful assimilation is impossible.

    If European nations were to attack ISIS or Al Qaeda in the Middle East then the Fifth Columns in Europe would strike quickly at their host nations. This, I believe, is why Europeans are so reluctant to get involved in fighting ISIS. Either way they are going to lose.
    That might be able to be addressed by deporting all the radicals. Don't think that those countries have the stomach for that, so they have decided their own downfall, it would seem.
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    Re: ‘Jihadi John’: Islamic State killer is identified as Londoner Mohammed Emwazi

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I'm not a psychiatrist or criminologist, but being able to cross that line and actually decapitate other human beings means the lack of something far deeper than what normal people anywhere can understand.
    That's the thing about a religion with 1.4 billion people. You'll always be able to find a few thousand nuts willing to do the craziest things and parade it. The thing is that they didn't really need the religion to do it in the first place. They could have done it as atheists too but the religion gave them something to camouflage their existing psychopathy. Personally, I find it fascinating what people are willing to do with a little encouragement from religion. I'd also like to find out why people who become atheists don't become radicalise to the extent that the religious do. I mean, it's pretty well established through Islam that conversion to a new religion usually comes hand in hand with radicalism so why doesn't it happen with every religion? For that matter why do people who become Buddhist not engage in Buddhist extremism (self-immolation) like Muslims do? Why does Christianity have so many cults that push their members towards doomsday prophecies and self harm (Branch Davidians, Jonestown Massacre, FLDS)? The whole connection between religion and radicalism is super interesting.
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    Re: ‘Jihadi John’: Islamic State killer is identified as Londoner Mohammed Emwazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I don't have much confidence in Obama but he did get Bin Laden, gotta give him credit for that.

    I'd like to think the Brits would get him. He's their mess, it would be most suitable if they cleaned it up.
    I have always thought a fawning press gave Mr. Obama far too much credit for that. The hunt for Bin Laden had been going on since even before 9/11, with U.S. investigators trying to put together all sorts of tenuous clues. Most of the work was done during Mr. Bush's presidency. One person would be identified, and through him others, until finally, after all those years of painstaking research and frustrating dead ends, the faint trace led to a house in Pakistan. What U.S. president would not have ordered the elimination of this country's worst enemy, once it was almost certain he was living in that house?

    The risk Pakistan posed has been overstated by people who want to polish Obama's halo. It was well known that the U.S. had told Pakistan it would let our forces use its bases to attack the jihadists in Afghanistan after 9/11--or else. So any U.S. president could be confident the Pakistani government, not having not dared go to war with the U.S. just to save Bin Laden's mangy hide then, would not risk war over him now, either. Even if Pakistan's leaders did get wind of the operation, they knew enough to shut up and look the other way.

    As for this murderer, he may last a while. But he had better not stay in any one place very long. And he had better hope that none of those fellow expatriates who supposedly have come to help the jihadists is in fact an informant.
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    Re: ‘Jihadi John’: Islamic State killer is identified as Londoner Mohammed Emwazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I don't have much confidence in Obama but he did get Bin Laden, gotta give him credit for that.

    I'd like to think the Brits would get him. He's their mess, it would be most suitable if they cleaned it up.
    It's not clear what credit Obama should receive for getting bin Laden but let him have it.

    This is not a British mess but a European mess and it's Europe who will have to clean it up or disappear.

    Austria is trying but look at the feedback. Austria Passes Reforms to 1912 Islam Law

    Muslims around the world are playing Good Cop/Bad Cop, with the 'Moderates' being 'Good" and ISIS and all being "Bad". This is confusing for those whose enemies have always used less sophisticated but more direct methods, established by the Geneva Convention. To adapt and change from that mode of thinking is not computing in the modern mind, particularly by those on the left.

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    Re: ‘Jihadi John’: Islamic State killer is identified as Londoner Mohammed Emwazi

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    That might be able to be addressed by deporting all the radicals. Don't think that those countries have the stomach for that, so they have decided their own downfall, it would seem.
    I agree!

    The problem is that we never know who the 'radicals' are. They don't think of themselves as radicals. They believe their cause is just and are willing to make sacrifices the western democracies try their best to avoid. A few million of these people have managed to intimidate the entire western world, and we appear willing to go along with it hoping they will soon see the error of their ways and finally come to their senses. A tragicomedy might be the best term for this madness.

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    Re: ‘Jihadi John’: Islamic State killer is identified as Londoner Mohammed Emwazi

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I agree!

    The problem is that we never know who the 'radicals' are. They don't think of themselves as radicals. They believe their cause is just and are willing to make sacrifices the western democracies try their best to avoid. A few million of these people have managed to intimidate the entire western world, and we appear willing to go along with it hoping they will soon see the error of their ways and finally come to their senses. A tragicomedy might be the best term for this madness.
    Yeah, the militant Islamic fundamentalists no doubt feel that their's is the just, honorable cause, and they may have a point, at least from their perspective. However, beheading innocent people, NOG aide workers, others of other religions and nations, isn't going to be the way to convince the world that it is.

    I'm sure that the world would allow them a little corner, where they can preach and live in their backward ways, as long as it didn't result in explosions or killing of others. But that's not the path they have chosen. Eventually, the world will have had enough of their evil doing and their evil ways, and the weight of the world's nations combined military will rain death down on them. They too, have chosen the path of their own demise.
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