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‘Jihadi John’: Islamic State killer is identified as Londoner Mohammed Emwazi

Ahh, so we can't say islamic terrorism is something that comes from uneducated being indoctrinated, but seemingly coming from a seemingly "moderate" well educated types.

I never said you cant say that. Im simply saying the majority of terrorists are educated and their socioeconomic status is generally middle class. What I just stated is a fact, and their are numerous studies to back up this claim, one which I just posted. I also never said that they were not indoctrinated. Clearly they are. You can be both indoctrinated and educated.... They are not mutually exclusive.
 
So most likely he has family still in Briton. If that had been one of my family members he beheaded I would be paying them a visit. I would be all accounts be criminally insane and not responsible for my inhumane actions therefor.

Deliberately targeting his family would make you no better than those pigs.
 
....and raping eight-year-olds, burning people alive in cages, and beheading people on youtube.

Sorry, but "marginalization" doesn't lead to such things.
Feeling marginalized alone won't push them to the extremes, which is why the incitement is crucial. To better tackle the radicalism, the government needs to sever the spread of those information.
 
I've said this for years...THEY DON'T BELONG HERE.
I don't care who thinks that's racist and bigoted, the fact is it's been proven hundreds of times since 9/11 that Muslims are not like us in the West, and they are bad for our society and way of life.
In a related story, four Muslims in Brooklyn, New York are being charged today with trying to help Isis. When will we wake up and realize that Muslims will never be our friends just because we give them opportunity and a chance at a better life? They are psychotic for Allah.

Then we should throw out all Christians based on your thinking. Most of the crime in country is more likely done by Christians then Muslims. Even domestic acts of terrorism.
 
Beheading innocent people isn't civilized in the least either.

Clearly, these Militant Islamic Fundamentalists pose a grave danger to those around them, as through their spreading, the world at large, both moderate Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

What more efficient mechanism to reduce their number significantly and therefore their threat? Knock them down hard enough, likely they'll be far less of a recurring problem in the future, given institutional memory.

You are on to something there. What jihadists fear most is being humiliated. That is why they try so hard to make themselves look invincible, able to slaughter people at will, but shielded by their faith from even the most powerful enemies. They have devoted a lot of effort to videos that show them triumphant, usually accompanied by powerful, spellbinding music. The basso voices chant to a hypnotic drumbeat as the jihadists behead or immolate their powerless, quivering captives, or their planes make enormous fireballs of the Trade Center Towers, or their warriors blow up a convoy of American vehicles.

But all the puffery looks less impressive when you see a video like the one I saw recently. Several of these great warriors stand in a street looking and sounding very lost, as down at the end of the block, what is left of a vehicle blazes away. It's blazing because a couple minutes earlier, one of the jihadists' bomb experts and a couple of his pals were in that vehicle when a missile came out of the sky, with no warning whatever, and hit them with twenty pounds or so of high explosive.

I think the great warriors would seem much less invincible if, one night, heavy U.S. bombers destroyed every bridge in every city they occupy without even seeming to exert much effort. They would seem even more vulnerable if, several nights later, these aircraft blew up water utilities in all those places. There might be a pause of a couple weeks to let these lessons sink in on the inhabitants who are sheltering these jihadists, and then, one night, all the petroleum refineries, say, put out of commission. One night later still, all the electricity might go down in Raqaa, and Mosul, and Ramadi, and Tikrit, and every other place they claim to control, or the rail lines or airports serving these places made inoperable, or the gas or telephone utilities shut down.

It would soon become clear to everyone watching this steady, relentless crippling that behind their bravado, the supposedly all-powerful jihadists were in fact the "weak horse"--that they could do absolutely nothing to stop it. We should not wring our hands about whether the predominantly Sunni populations in these places would resent the United States for this kind of thing. What is important is that the jihadists in Iraq and Syria should not be allowed to look like they are thumbing their noses at this country, and getting away with it. It is exactly that perception which contributes to the jihadists' prestige and appeal.

I say all this because it's what I think should be done--not because I harbor any illusions that this sorry excuse for a president will ever go much beyond the pinpricks he's confined himself to so far. He doesn't give a damn how many innocent people these rats murder. All he cares about is appearing to do something, while doing nothing that counts much.
 
So are most liberals. Why haven't they joined Jihad? ;)
Because nobody has occupied Europe or North America- if there was a military occupation and armed intervention by foreign powers, you can bet that a lot of people from the West would become terrorists.
 
Beheading innocent people isn't civilized in the least either.

Clearly, these Militant Islamic Fundamentalists pose a grave danger to those around them, as through their spreading, the world at large, both moderate Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

What more efficient mechanism to reduce their number significantly and therefore their threat? Knock them down hard enough, likely they'll be far less of a recurring problem in the future, given institutional memory.
The problem for the western democracies, especially in Europe, is that they have imported too many Muslims to the point where meaningful assimilation is impossible.

If European nations were to attack ISIS or Al Qaeda in the Middle East then the Fifth Columns in Europe would strike quickly at their host nations. This, I believe, is why Europeans are so reluctant to get involved in fighting ISIS. Either way they are going to lose.
 
so it turns out this savage is yet another well to do, educated islamic, what drives these people to such barbarity? To give up all they have for this "War" and oppression?


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So two observations.

1.) What is it going to take for the UK, or, in a broader sense, for Europe, to start realizing that JUST PERHAPS the whole idea of taking millions upon millions of muslim immigrants in to your country and then not requiring them to assimilate in any meaningful manner MIGHT have some tricky consequences?

2.) Bye bye, Jihadi John. Or Muhammed Emzawaski or however you say it. Nice knowing you. I put the over/under at about 3 years until this guy is confirmed dead. Just that they know his name is a death sentence. They got to Sadaam, they got to Osama, they'll get this little nobody.
 
So two observations.

1.) What is it going to take for the UK, or, in a broader sense, for Europe, to start realizing that JUST PERHAPS the whole idea of taking millions upon millions of muslim immigrants in to your country and then not requiring them to assimilate in any meaningful manner MIGHT have some tricky consequences?

2.) Bye bye, Jihadi John. Or Muhammed Emzawaski or however you say it. Nice knowing you. I put the over/under at about 3 years until this guy is confirmed dead. Just that they know his name is a death sentence. They got to Sadaam, they got to Osama, they'll get this little nobody.
Getting this one guy isn't going to make any difference at all. There may be some temporary satisfaction but there will be hundreds more ready to take his place.
 
Getting this one guy isn't going to make any difference at all. There may be some temporary satisfaction but there will be hundreds more ready to take his place.

True, nonetheless he's a dead man walking.
 
True, nonetheless he's a dead man walking.
I'd like to thnk so but who is going to get him? Recall how Obama said he would capture those who did the killing in Benghazi? You have more confidence in western leadership than I do.
 
I'd like to thnk so but who is going to get him? Recall how Obama said he would capture those who did the killing in Benghazi? You have more confidence in western leadership than I do.

I don't have much confidence in Obama but he did get Bin Laden, gotta give him credit for that.

I'd like to think the Brits would get him. He's their mess, it would be most suitable if they cleaned it up.
 
You are on to something there. What jihadists fear most is being humiliated. That is why they try so hard to make themselves look invincible, able to slaughter people at will, but shielded by their faith from even the most powerful enemies. They have devoted a lot of effort to videos that show them triumphant, usually accompanied by powerful, spellbinding music. The basso voices chant to a hypnotic drumbeat as the jihadists behead or immolate their powerless, quivering captives, or their planes make enormous fireballs of the Trade Center Towers, or their warriors blow up a convoy of American vehicles.

But all the puffery looks less impressive when you see a video like the one I saw recently. Several of these great warriors stand in a street looking and sounding very lost, as down at the end of the block, what is left of a vehicle blazes away. It's blazing because a couple minutes earlier, one of the jihadists' bomb experts and a couple of his pals were in that vehicle when a missile came out of the sky, with no warning whatever, and hit them with twenty pounds or so of high explosive.

I think the great warriors would seem much less invincible if, one night, heavy U.S. bombers destroyed every bridge in every city they occupy without even seeming to exert much effort. They would seem even more vulnerable if, several nights later, these aircraft blew up water utilities in all those places. There might be a pause of a couple weeks to let these lessons sink in on the inhabitants who are sheltering these jihadists, and then, one night, all the petroleum refineries, say, put out of commission. One night later still, all the electricity might go down in Raqaa, and Mosul, and Ramadi, and Tikrit, and every other place they claim to control, or the rail lines or airports serving these places made inoperable, or the gas or telephone utilities shut down.

It would soon become clear to everyone watching this steady, relentless crippling that behind their bravado, the supposedly all-powerful jihadists were in fact the "weak horse"--that they could do absolutely nothing to stop it. We should not wring our hands about whether the predominantly Sunni populations in these places would resent the United States for this kind of thing. What is important is that the jihadists in Iraq and Syria should not be allowed to look like they are thumbing their noses at this country, and getting away with it. It is exactly that perception which contributes to the jihadists' prestige and appeal.

I say all this because it's what I think should be done--not because I harbor any illusions that this sorry excuse for a president will ever go much beyond the pinpricks he's confined himself to so far. He doesn't give a damn how many innocent people these rats murder. All he cares about is appearing to do something, while doing nothing that counts much.

I like it. An air campaign at the same level as Gulf 1 or Gulf 2, which crippled the opposition. This time, the opposition would be ISIS.

What you are saying about the puffery and such seems to make a lot of sense, and such an air campaign would deflate all that puffer in full view of the world, as well as those under ISIS control, and to themselves as well.
 
Because nobody has occupied Europe or North America- if there was a military occupation and armed intervention by foreign powers, you can bet that a lot of people from the West would become terrorists.

The Japanese 'blades of grass' quote from WW II applies.
 
The problem for the western democracies, especially in Europe, is that they have imported too many Muslims to the point where meaningful assimilation is impossible.

If European nations were to attack ISIS or Al Qaeda in the Middle East then the Fifth Columns in Europe would strike quickly at their host nations. This, I believe, is why Europeans are so reluctant to get involved in fighting ISIS. Either way they are going to lose.

That might be able to be addressed by deporting all the radicals. Don't think that those countries have the stomach for that, so they have decided their own downfall, it would seem.
 
I'm not a psychiatrist or criminologist, but being able to cross that line and actually decapitate other human beings means the lack of something far deeper than what normal people anywhere can understand.

That's the thing about a religion with 1.4 billion people. You'll always be able to find a few thousand nuts willing to do the craziest things and parade it. The thing is that they didn't really need the religion to do it in the first place. They could have done it as atheists too but the religion gave them something to camouflage their existing psychopathy. Personally, I find it fascinating what people are willing to do with a little encouragement from religion. I'd also like to find out why people who become atheists don't become radicalise to the extent that the religious do. I mean, it's pretty well established through Islam that conversion to a new religion usually comes hand in hand with radicalism so why doesn't it happen with every religion? For that matter why do people who become Buddhist not engage in Buddhist extremism (self-immolation) like Muslims do? Why does Christianity have so many cults that push their members towards doomsday prophecies and self harm (Branch Davidians, Jonestown Massacre, FLDS)? The whole connection between religion and radicalism is super interesting.
 
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I don't have much confidence in Obama but he did get Bin Laden, gotta give him credit for that.

I'd like to think the Brits would get him. He's their mess, it would be most suitable if they cleaned it up.

I have always thought a fawning press gave Mr. Obama far too much credit for that. The hunt for Bin Laden had been going on since even before 9/11, with U.S. investigators trying to put together all sorts of tenuous clues. Most of the work was done during Mr. Bush's presidency. One person would be identified, and through him others, until finally, after all those years of painstaking research and frustrating dead ends, the faint trace led to a house in Pakistan. What U.S. president would not have ordered the elimination of this country's worst enemy, once it was almost certain he was living in that house?

The risk Pakistan posed has been overstated by people who want to polish Obama's halo. It was well known that the U.S. had told Pakistan it would let our forces use its bases to attack the jihadists in Afghanistan after 9/11--or else. So any U.S. president could be confident the Pakistani government, not having not dared go to war with the U.S. just to save Bin Laden's mangy hide then, would not risk war over him now, either. Even if Pakistan's leaders did get wind of the operation, they knew enough to shut up and look the other way.

As for this murderer, he may last a while. But he had better not stay in any one place very long. And he had better hope that none of those fellow expatriates who supposedly have come to help the jihadists is in fact an informant.
 
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I don't have much confidence in Obama but he did get Bin Laden, gotta give him credit for that.

I'd like to think the Brits would get him. He's their mess, it would be most suitable if they cleaned it up.
It's not clear what credit Obama should receive for getting bin Laden but let him have it.

This is not a British mess but a European mess and it's Europe who will have to clean it up or disappear.

Austria is trying but look at the feedback. Austria Passes Reforms to 1912 Islam Law

Muslims around the world are playing Good Cop/Bad Cop, with the 'Moderates' being 'Good" and ISIS and all being "Bad". This is confusing for those whose enemies have always used less sophisticated but more direct methods, established by the Geneva Convention. To adapt and change from that mode of thinking is not computing in the modern mind, particularly by those on the left.
 
That might be able to be addressed by deporting all the radicals. Don't think that those countries have the stomach for that, so they have decided their own downfall, it would seem.
I agree!

The problem is that we never know who the 'radicals' are. They don't think of themselves as radicals. They believe their cause is just and are willing to make sacrifices the western democracies try their best to avoid. A few million of these people have managed to intimidate the entire western world, and we appear willing to go along with it hoping they will soon see the error of their ways and finally come to their senses. A tragicomedy might be the best term for this madness.
 
I agree!

The problem is that we never know who the 'radicals' are. They don't think of themselves as radicals. They believe their cause is just and are willing to make sacrifices the western democracies try their best to avoid. A few million of these people have managed to intimidate the entire western world, and we appear willing to go along with it hoping they will soon see the error of their ways and finally come to their senses. A tragicomedy might be the best term for this madness.

Yeah, the militant Islamic fundamentalists no doubt feel that their's is the just, honorable cause, and they may have a point, at least from their perspective. However, beheading innocent people, NOG aide workers, others of other religions and nations, isn't going to be the way to convince the world that it is.

I'm sure that the world would allow them a little corner, where they can preach and live in their backward ways, as long as it didn't result in explosions or killing of others. But that's not the path they have chosen. Eventually, the world will have had enough of their evil doing and their evil ways, and the weight of the world's nations combined military will rain death down on them. They too, have chosen the path of their own demise.
 
Yeah, the militant Islamic fundamentalists no doubt feel that their's is the just, honorable cause, and they may have a point, at least from their perspective. However, beheading innocent people, NOG aide workers, others of other religions and nations, isn't going to be the way to convince the world that it is.

I'm sure that the world would allow them a little corner, where they can preach and live in their backward ways, as long as it didn't result in explosions or killing of others. But that's not the path they have chosen. Eventually, the world will have had enough of their evil doing and their evil ways, and the weight of the world's nations combined military will rain death down on them. They too, have chosen the path of their own demise.

I'd like to agree but I see no indication of any serious response from any of the democracies, and certainly not one of organization. I'm sure they offer information regarding dangerous suspects but as we have seen in the case of the Boston Marathon bombers, this information is often ignored.

Austria is trying to fight back in their own small way but I doubt they'll win. The citizens are too cowed while their enemies are willing to make sacrifices the Austrians, and all other Europeans, wont.

Austria Passes Reforms to 1912 Islam Law
 
I'd like to agree but I see no indication of any serious response from any of the democracies, and certainly not one of organization. I'm sure they offer information regarding dangerous suspects but as we have seen in the case of the Boston Marathon bombers, this information is often ignored.

Austria is trying to fight back in their own small way but I doubt they'll win. The citizens are too cowed while their enemies are willing to make sacrifices the Austrians, and all other Europeans, wont.

Austria Passes Reforms to 1912 Islam Law

While true Grant, the future is yet unwritten, as an old Arabic saying goes (at least I think that's where it came from). It's all yet to be seen.
 
Perhaps affluent people are involved because they can be. They can afford to travel. They can work out how to hook up and how to get there.

All kinds of strange reasons are being bruited about on what motivated this twit, Jihadi John. Today I read he ran into a goalpost as a child and his head was never the same.

Whatever his trigger, in civilized society the strong do not take advantage of the weak. Beheading a defenceless person whose hands are tied isn't really aspirational to anyone rational.

A few recent terrorist attacks seem targeted at Jewish people, not motivated by Western military action, unless you are so far gone as to blame Jewish people for controlling the entire Western military.

Is the activity (not just ISIL, Boko Haram etc) not about re-establishing the caliphate? Young, gullible people often like a cause and excitement, although most stay within reason...

Two things. One, an aim of that religion seems to be to unite the different tribes. From the amount of strife and conflict between different strands of Islam, I don't know if that is being adhered to.

And, Pakistan/India once was united if torn.. they split that into different ethnic groups, didn't they. Ghandi was appalled, he wanted to keep it together and people to learn to live together. Now, India seems to be having quite a nice time economically and doesn't seem to be involved in much war. Life seems to be improving for people in India. I wonder if the people in Pakistan thought about it, which lifestyle they would prefer to be governed under.
 
That's the thing about a religion with 1.4 billion people. You'll always be able to find a few thousand nuts willing to do the craziest things and parade it. The thing is that they didn't really need the religion to do it in the first place. They could have done it as atheists too but the religion gave them something to camouflage their existing psychopathy. Personally, I find it fascinating what people are willing to do with a little encouragement from religion. I'd also like to find out why people who become atheists don't become radicalise to the extent that the religious do. I mean, it's pretty well established through Islam that conversion to a new religion usually comes hand in hand with radicalism so why doesn't it happen with every religion? For that matter why do people who become Buddhist not engage in Buddhist extremism (self-immolation) like Muslims do? Why does Christianity have so many cults that push their members towards doomsday prophecies and self harm (Branch Davidians, Jonestown Massacre, FLDS)? The whole connection between religion and radicalism is super interesting.




a few thousand? I tend to agree with you, but the problem here is you have 200,000 and an unkown amount sympathetic to the idea of a pan arabic caliphate.
 
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