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US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

US Conservative said:
Already answered. You continue to repeat the same empty crap.

You dont need to understand things, they will happen regardless.

Crouch in a corner and dream of wealth redistribution while reality does its thing.
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that doesn't sound like much of a plan for war with a superpower. have you spent much time thinking this one out? again, what's the plan?
 
US Conservative said:
Last I checked its 2015, but at times it sure feels like the cold war, doesn't it?
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unfortunately, it does. and some want to escalate it even more than that.
 
Helix said:
that doesn't sound like much of a plan for war with a superpower. have you spent much time thinking this one out? again, what's the plan?
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And as stated, theres no need for me to explain every sparrows fall. If there was, you wouldn't have supported Obama.
 
US Conservative said:
And some want to appease Russia, just like back then. Show some courage for once.
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so, what's the game plan for war with Russia? if you dodge this question one more time, i will no longer respond to your posts.
 
US Conservative said:
And as stated, theres no need for me to explain every sparrows fall. If there was, you wouldn't have supported Obama.
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again, answer the question, or i will no longer respond to your posts. you've danced enough. show some "courage," something you've accused me of having none of in multiple posts, and map out your strategy for war with Russia and the aftermath of that war.
 
US Conservative said:
Thats true but they have also historically been less invasive than russia.

This is one reason why the US must always retain a technological edge-we can't afford to lose that.
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Only due to their lack of power. Now they are planning to right ancient wrongs. Look at Russia and their past expansion into what was then Chinese territory..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sino-Russian_relations

Prior to the 1600s China and Russia were on opposite ends of Siberia, which was populated by independent nomads. By about 1640 Russian settlers had conquered most of Siberia and founded settlements in the Amur River basin. From 1652 to 1689, China's armies drove the Russian settlers out, but after 1689 China and Russia made peace and established trade agreements. By the mid-1800s China's economy and military lagged far behind the colonial powers, so it signed unequal treaties with Western countries such as Russia, through which Russia annexed the Amur basin and Vladivostok. The Russian Empire and other powers exacted many other concessions from China, among which were indemnities for anti-Western riots, control over China's tariffs, and extraterritorial agreements including legal immunity for foreigners and foreign businesses. Many Chinese people felt humiliated by China's submission to these foreign interests, and this contributed to widespread hostility towards the emperor of China. In 1911 public anger led to a revolution, which marked the beginning of the Republic of China. However, China's new regime (known as the Beiyang government) was forced to sign further unequal treaties with Western countries, including Russia.[1]
 
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Helix said:
again, answer the question, or i will no longer respond to your posts. you've danced enough. show some "courage," something you've accused me of having none of in multiple posts, and map out your strategy for war with Russia and the aftermath of that war.
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There will be no war. Russia is too weak.
 
US Conservative said:
Oh noes an ultimatum! I already answered that. And then you muttered about taxes about 50 times.
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refresh my memory. what is the plan for war with Russia, how far are you willing to go to win it, and what does the aftermath look like?
 
Jack Hays said:
There will be no war. Russia is too weak.
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i agree that there will be no war, because it would **** up pretty much everything. and Russia weak? lol. they are a nuclear superpower, which is another reason that there will be no war. however, hawks like to talk big online, so let's hear USC's war strategy.
 
Helix said:
i agree that there will be no war, because it would **** up pretty much everything. and Russia weak? lol. they are a nuclear superpower, which is another reason that there will be no war. however, hawks like to talk big online, so let's hear USC's war strategy.
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We reinforce our NATO deployments, step up joint exercises, and open up the weapons and training flow to Ukraine. Beneath the veneer of top tier forces Russian military capabilities are feeble, with significant supply, logistics, training and maintenance shortfalls. Readiness is abysmal.
 
Jack Hays said:
We reinforce our NATO deployments, step up joint exercises, and open up the weapons and training flow to Ukraine. Beneath the veneer of top tier forces Russian military capabilities are feeble, with significant supply, logistics, training and maintenance shortfalls. Readiness is abysmal.
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do you really think that a limited proxy war will stop Russia from doing whatever it wants in Ukraine?
 
Jack Hays said:
Yes, because the Ukrainians will fight like hell on their own behalf.
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against a nuclear superpower. right. no way we can arm a country that small enough to defeat a country that big in no holds barred warfare. and it's Europe's job to do that even if it was possible.

here's how it stands. Russia is going to control whatever areas it wants in Ukraine, nothing short of all out war is going to stop it, and all out war isn't going to happen.
 
JANFU said:
And Harper is also playing to a large Ukrainian population.
CBC, leans left, G&M, sort of middle, I find more opposing views - for and against in the National Post.
And I like to read from the Was Po NYT to Al Jazerra to the Asia Times to BBC.
From these you can sometimes glean what the heck is going on.
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That's pretty much where I go, although I have reduced much of my time with the National Post and have grudgingly come to respect the Glop and Pail. I used to work for the KW Record and then the Hamilton Spectator and the Globe was always the paper you resented.

I also like the Ottawa citizen now and again. CBC news is fine, we know they lean left and the smart ones make allowances. Here with the crummy private radio CBC is more than tolerable as none of the others can write a news story, have no idea what they are reading and think national and international news is filler.
 
Helix said:
against a nuclear superpower. right. no way we can arm a country that small enough to defeat a country that big in no holds barred warfare. and it's Europe's job to do that even if it was possible.

here's how it stands. Russia is going to control whatever areas it wants in Ukraine, nothing short of all out war is going to stop it, and all out war isn't going to happen.
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Thank you Marshal Petain. The US is a NATO signatory, and therefore a full partner in European security. There is no "Europe's job" without the US. Let the Russians get a taste of first class anti-tank and counter-battery artillery and we'll see how "all-out" they want to be.
 
Helix said:
against a nuclear superpower. right. no way we can arm a country that small enough to defeat a country that big in no holds barred warfare. and it's Europe's job to do that even if it was possible.

here's how it stands. Russia is going to control whatever areas it wants in Ukraine, nothing short of all out war is going to stop it, and all out war isn't going to happen.
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Russia isn't in Ukraine, remember? ;)

And do you really think they are going to use nukes and turn the entirety of world opinion against them?
 
Helix said:
against a nuclear superpower. right. no way we can arm a country that small enough to defeat a country that big in no holds barred warfare. and it's Europe's job to do that even if it was possible.

here's how it stands. Russia is going to control whatever areas it wants in Ukraine, nothing short of all out war is going to stop it, and all out war isn't going to happen.
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So you're tearing up NATO?

Great strategy, surrender before a shot because they can punch back....
 
Jack Hays said:
Thank you Marshal Petain. The US is a NATO signatory, and therefore a full partner in European security. There is no "Europe's job" without the US. Let the Russians get a taste of first class anti-tank and counter-battery artillery and we'll see how "all-out" they want to be.
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they are a nuclear superpower that could wipe Ukraine off of the map, and you're talking about anti-tank artillery? sure. i'm sure they'll be very scared of that.
 
US Conservative said:
Russia isn't in Ukraine, remember? ;)

And do you really think they are going to use nukes and turn the entirety of world opinion against them?
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aren't you supposed to be coming up with a plan for war with Russia?
 
Helix said:
they are a nuclear superpower that could wipe Ukraine off of the map, and you're talking about anti-tank artillery? sure. i'm sure they'll be very scared of that.
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They will be, because they're not going to use their nukes.
 
Helix said:
refresh my memory. what is the plan for war with Russia, how far are you willing to go to win it, and what does the aftermath look like?
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Lead, aid, organize, and supply our allies, move security forces to the region. Make it clear that if Russia wants a war for its aggression it will get it.
 
Fearandloathing said:
So you're tearing up NATO?

Great strategy, surrender before a shot because they can punch back....
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i'd be quite happy with spending the next thirty years working on our own country. however, we get sucked into every war on the planet, and the world doesn't even pay us a tax. **** that. time to try another strategy. a strategy like if your region is three shades of ****ed up and you're the hegemon, then you handle that **** yourself.
 
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