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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I support fighting the war and paying our debts.
    what does that look like by income tax bracket? also, which wars, and for how long? some of these wars would require occupying and rebuilding nations for decades if not for generations. would you support a long term significantly increased wartime tax rate?

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    what does that look like by income tax bracket? also, which wars, and for how long? some of these wars would require occupying and rebuilding nations for decades if not for generations. would you support a long term significantly increased wartime tax rate?
    In a war that had to be fought yes. And with the elimination of liberal wealth redistribution schemes, it would be much cheaper.

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    In a war that had to be fought yes. And with the elimination of liberal wealth redistribution schemes, it would be much cheaper.
    but what do the wartime tax brackets look like? which wars should we participate in? how long will the US occupy and rebuild these nations? and which social safety nets would you cut in order to fund endless war, and by how much?

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    No I highly doubt he means Nazis.
    And I am calling him a closet Nazi. For his comments: Nationalism, deal with it. There are American nationalists, that's a thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    And to say that because 1 of our SOF elements was based in a Brittish design means that we can never be better than them is just pretty dumb. And they while we did learn from them originally that was a long time ago and not really relevant to how things are done now.
    1? Rangers, Delta, and Green Berets were formed to mimic units the British created. Even CIA is models after MI6. That's be true if it wasn't for the fact the model for Delta Force for selection has been identical to SAS selection since the 70s. They still on a yearly basis have an exchange program where both sides sees what others are doing.


    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Look at it this way.
    Not only does our SOF have a bigger budget which leads to better equipment and training funds, we also have a much bigger military pool to pull from allowing us to be more selective. We have also had been at war non-stop since 2001 gaining experience and validating and modifying tactics. That is a almost impossible advantage to beat.
    LOL!!!!

    Budget size doesn't matter in reality. On the ground they aren't saying "well they cut our budget or our budget is smaller we should just pack up and go home". Bigger military pool (people) but SAS is the most selective Special Operations unit in the world. They will cut you just for just one mistake, they gave a perfection or not at all attitude... and had a big issue with the US Navy Seals (ST6) failure in rescuing Linda Norgrove because the Seal who tossed the nade that killed her had done it previously in other missions.

    If you think SAS hasn't be 100% active during the same period you are crazy. SAS was tasked with some of the most dangerous ops during Iraq and Afghanistan because of their ability. Stanley McChrystal and David Patraeus said the same stuff. SAS itself has been active all over the world for a better part of 75 years. Be it WW2, Malayan Emergency, Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation, Dhofar Rebellion (Battle of Mirbat), Northern Ireland which was 30 years of a **** storm, Sierra Leone (recuse of British peace keepers), then all NATO related operations.

    So you want to talk about advantages? SAS has 75 years of it.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Terrible idea.

    The Ukranian conflict is a direct result of NATO thinking that Russia couldn't do anything about Ukraine wanting to join the West. Russia wants, and will fight hard, to keep buffer states between her and the West. It's entirely reasonable policy on her part.
    No it is not. In fact it puts her in breach of almost every bilateral and international agreement she has signed since WW2. NATO is a paper tiger and a shadow of what it once was 25 years ago. It can barely defend itself now much less threaten anybody. Putin knows this too thats why he feels able to get away with what he is doing in Ukraine. He is on an Empire rebuilding mission and other states must be very nervous about who will be next

    For actual enlightenment on this, you may want to read below...from my favorite foreign affairs expert (who nailed the Iraq war, incidentally) John Mearscheimer. Not liberal or conservative- but definitely an anti neo-con.

    http://m.foreignaffairs.com/articles...he-wests-fault
    Unfortunately though his article is wrong on virtually all counts. Here Professor Alexander Motyl (perhaps the Wests leading expert on Ukrainian/Russian relations) comprehensively rebuts his assertions.

    The Ukraine crisis according to John J. Mearsheimer: Impeccable Logic, Wrong Facts

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    No it is not. In fact it puts her in breach of almost every bilateral and international agreement she has signed since WW2. NATO is a paper tiger and a shadow of what it once was 25 years ago. It can barely defend itself now much less threaten anybody. Putin knows this too thats why he feels able to get away with what he is doing in Ukraine. He is on an Empire rebuilding mission and other states must be very nervous about who will be next



    Unfortunately though his article is wrong on virtually all counts. Here Professor Alexander Motyl (perhaps the Wests leading expert on Ukrainian/Russian relations) comprehensively rebuts his assertions.

    The Ukraine crisis according to John J. Mearsheimer: Impeccable Logic, Wrong Facts
    LOL.

    That essay basically reads as an elaborate 'nuh-uh'.

    Criticizing the supposition that Russia is nervous about a ground invasion- aka Napoleon - is incorrect because Napoleon invaded thru Belarus and not Ukraine? And calling that one of the main factual errors? Really?
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    LOL.

    That essay basically reads as an elaborate 'nuh-uh'.

    Criticizing the supposition that Russia is nervous about a ground invasion- aka Napoleon - is incorrect because Napoleon invaded thru Belarus and not Ukraine? And calling that one of the main factual errors? Really?
    Belarus was annexed to Russia in 1795 becoming part of Russia before the Napoleonic invasions. Regional borders were much different then

    NATO troop levels are a fraction of what they were 25 years ago and the US presence in Europe a token 28,000 from 213,000 in 1990 . Russian forces are currently 850,000 and rising rapidly so just who is a threat to whom ? Putin is talking up a non existent NATO threat in an attempt to justify what he is doing domestically

    Discard this guys opinion all you like but he probably knows more on this subject than either of us ,Mearsheimer or just about anyone else in the west for that matter

    Alexander J. Motyl (Ph.D., Columbia University, 1984) is professor of political science at Rutgers University-Newark. He served as associate director of the Harriman Institute at Columbia University in 1992-1998. A specialist on Ukraine, Russia, and the USSR, he is the author of six academic books and the editor or co-editor of over fifteen volumes, including The Encyclopedia of Nationalism and The Holodomor Reader: A Sourcebook on the Famine of 1932–1933 in Ukraine. Motyl’s weekly blog on “Ukraine’s Orange Blues” appears on World News Headlines, Essays and Opinion -- World Affairs Journal.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    War. Good God, y'all. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
    Listen to me.

    Oh, war, I despise.
    Cause it means destruction of innocent lives.
    War means tears to thousands of mothers eyes
    When their sons go off to fight and lose their lives.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    Best of the Best meaning SAS are the ones that Delta Force and Navy Seals (including DevGru) learn from and were born from. Delta is a more complete unit since most of their guys come from Rangers and Green Berets. Seals/ST6 on the other hand are very limited in their abilities. Seals aren't trained from the start in basic infantrymen tactics so when SHTF.. they could never turn from "operator to grunt" when it called for.

    Delta is pretty close to SAS standards but not better then them.

    Special Operations is a huge facet of the modern military. Long gone are the days of Division size units deploying. Brigade or smaller is the future. Inferior? I never said the whole British Army is better. Just what society deems best of bunch.
    that's a lot of speaking out of the ass right there.

    Special operations are good and all for fighting allahu moronbars in the ME.

    Even in modern conventional war though, you need armies, divisions, mechanized units, artillery, etc.

    Special ops arent some sort of invinsible super men, get that out of your head. A typical special operations soldier is simply an infantryman with more training and perhaps a SCAR-H instead of an M4 and an MK 23 instead of an M9 beretta.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Listen to me.

    Oh, war, I despise.
    Cause it means destruction of innocent lives.
    War means tears to thousands of mothers eyes
    When their sons go off to fight and lose their lives.
    Listen to me. People still elect morons who make us go to war
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