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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Not only do I remember it - I more or less lived it. My dad was stationed at a SAC base in North Dakota and I went to sleep at night listening to the B-52's orbiting the base, waiting for the go signal.
    My father was to fly the lead aircraft in the troop carrier formation dropping the 82nd Airborne on Havana.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Nothing on Cuba was threatening except the missiles. Once those were gone, Cuba became a ho-hum situation, easily countered with forces based in Florida.
    In those days I lived very close to the FEC railroad tracks at a point about 100 miles north of Miami. As kids we used to play on those tracks, putting pennies on the rail for the trains to flatten. By random luck we would sometimes find one--usually they were shot far away.

    During the buildup, almost all the trains going by were carrying military equipment in preparation for a potential invasion. Tanks, missiles, personnel carriers and trucks.

    We were prepared to invade, and even a child could understand that.

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    In those days I lived very close to the FEC railroad tracks at a point about 100 miles north of Miami. As kids we used to play on those tracks, putting pennies on the rail for the trains to flatten. By random luck we would sometimes find one--usually they were shot far away.

    During the buildup, almost all the trains going by were carrying military equipment in preparation for a potential invasion. Tanks, missiles, personnel carriers and trucks.

    We were prepared to invade, and even a child could understand that.
    Oh, I quite agree. My father said he thought every aircraft in the US inventory was in Florida. His aircrew joked that the state was going to sink because of all the extra weight. JFK came to visit and passed to review the formations as aircrew stood at attention in front of their aircraft. he saluted each formation as he passed. My father, a lifelong Republican, always said thereafter, "At that moment, THAT was a President."

    All that dissipated immediately once the Soviets agreed to withdraw the missiles.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    My father was to fly the lead aircraft in the troop carrier formation dropping the 82nd Airborne on Havana.
    I was 16, and like all 16year olds, I wasn't particularly worried because I knew I was immortal. Ah, the innocence of youth.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    It's much cheaper and safer to have aircraft secure on the ground, fueled with crews on standby, waiting for the go signal, than to have them burning tons of fuel, orbiting.

    So you acknowledge the larger point, that the US felt very threatened by the presence of Soviet hardware and advisors 90 miles off the Florida coast, and defended the Monroe Doctrine.

    Raising the question, "why should the Russians today not feel similarly threatened by the presence of US hardware in their backyard?"
    Ahh, if only the Strategic Air Command had been as smart as you.

    As far as Russian sensibilities are concerned, screw them.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    As I thought Wiggen...

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I was 16, and like all 16year olds, I wasn't particularly worried because I knew I was immortal. Ah, the innocence of youth.
    I was 12, but when my dad moved all the military rations into our basement before he left I suspected something was up.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Raising the question, "why should the Russians today not feel similarly threatened by the presence of US hardware in their backyard?"
    Because that presence has almost gone. US personnel numbers in Europe are a small fraction of what they were 25 years ago and continue to decline. The Russians are talking up a non existent threat in order to justify a spot of empire rebuilding at Ukraines expense

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    It's much cheaper and safer to have aircraft secure on the ground, fueled with crews on standby, waiting for the go signal, than to have them burning tons of fuel, orbiting.
    On the contrary during what was called operation Chrome Dome from the late fifties until the mid sixties SAC kept 4 -6 B52s in the air at all times fully armed and ready to strike at a moments notice

    Operation Chrome Dome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    It's much cheaper and safer to have aircraft secure on the ground, fueled with crews on standby, waiting for the go signal, than to have them burning tons of fuel, orbiting.

    So you acknowledge the larger point, that the US felt very threatened by the presence of Soviet hardware and advisors 90 miles off the Florida coast, and defended the Monroe Doctrine.

    Raising the question, "why should the Russians today not feel similarly threatened by the presence of US hardware in their backyard?"
    They are meant to feel threatened, or at least warned. That's the point.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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