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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
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    LOL.. you really are ignorant on how the system works. Here are 3 basic reasons why..

    1) Was a CIA op.

    2) CIA gives these types of missions in house (means US units only).

    3) JSOC was ran by William H. McRaven at the time. McRaven is a Navy SEAL. So it obviously went to ST6 over Delta.

    Now if CIA had decided to toss it to SAS. There wouldn't be that many loose lips about the operations and so many books by guys who claimed to have had the kill shot.
    The mission being overseen by the CIA means nothing, at the end of the day, the SEALS were the ones who carried out the entire mission, and they did so successfully.

    You really are ignorant as to how to judge a unit.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    In the time of the Czars it was under direct imperial rule because of its strategic importance. It did not become part of Ukraine until the 1950's when Krushchev, himself a Ukrainian, presented it as a gift. It's thus not surprising or altogether unreasonable that Russia should want it back, and will probably keep it. If that were the end of it then Crimea would be the price of Ukrainian freedom and everyone would move on. Unfortunately, Putin's goals go far beyond Crimea.
    And your evidence for that is? Putin moved on Crimea AFTER Western interference in Kiev produced a situation that Russia perceived as a potential threat to its assets in Crimea. As to the following events on Ukraine's eastern border, it makes as much sense that Putin would support those seeking self determination and autonomy as it does that Israel and Jordan would be supporting separatists fighting Assad in Syria. You have no evidence that Putin is on a Hitleresque campaign to take Europe (not that you have used that language, but many here have) or that his goals go "far beyond Crimea" whatever that means. I do think its apparent that Putin has drawn his red line, and that we won't see any further eastward expansion of NATO, not without a big fight at any rate.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Who's teasing ? A country has first to request membership of these organisations they don't get it forced upon them . And anyway how does Ukrainian EU membership (which was the only thing under negotiation) threaten anyone ?
    Maybe if you actually READ the Mearschiemer piece you would understand.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Maybe if you actually READ the Mearschiemer piece you would understand.
    Thats one mans opinion and it really flies in the face of events and of those who know better

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Montecresto.

    Who knows? I think the EU countries will take a stand, since they are much closer to the problem than we are, and would be directly affected, one way or another. Plus, Putin will not want to look bad before the world, since it's not the Ukraine's fault that their land lies in the way. Think, Monte. What would you do if you were Putin?
    You mean to say that you think EU countries will drive Putin out of Crimea!!!!!!????? If I were Putin lol. I support Putin's long standing opposition to NATO expansion. He has laid down his line. It's laughable that people think Putin is on some crusade, that Europe is threatened, the foolish comparisons to him and hitler, current events and the late 1930's, all bs. Putin has been giving speeches about his position on NATO expansion for years now. When do Westerners listen to what other leaders want? Those that have, like the senior fellow at CFR, John J. Mearsheimer have, and understand this quite well. But in ignorance and belligerence, most will advance a false narrative that could lead to unintended consequences.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And your evidence for that is? Putin moved on Crimea AFTER Western interference in Kiev produced a situation that Russia perceived as a potential threat to its assets in Crimea. As to the following events on Ukraine's eastern border, it makes as much sense that Putin would support those seeking self determination and autonomy as it does that Israel and Jordan would be supporting separatists fighting Assad in Syria. You have no evidence that Putin is on a Hitleresque campaign to take Europe (not that you have used that language, but many here have) or that his goals go "far beyond Crimea" whatever that means. I do think its apparent that Putin has drawn his red line, and that we won't see any further eastward expansion of NATO, not without a big fight at any rate.
    Well you have a number of problems there

    a) Providing any evidence that the West armed or financed the Maidan revolt
    b) That the majority of Ukrainians living in Donetsk and Luhansk are not ethnic Russian
    c) That the Ukraine was not just about to join NATO but was negotiating EU membership

    But don't let these inconvenient facts get in the way of your usual tedious anti Western/US rant
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Thats one mans opinion and it really flies in the face of events and of those who know better
    How would you know? You obviously haven't read it, since you repeatedly ask me questions that are clearly answered in the piece.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    How would you know? You obviously haven't read it, since you repeatedly ask me questions that are clearly answered in the piece.
    Its been posted multiple times by Putinistas on other threads for months as have my multiple rebuttals of it by multiple sources multiple times. Outwith Russian propaganda Meirsheimers is a lone voice

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Putin has been giving speeches about his position on NATO expansion for years now.
    It's not up to Putin to decide what is best for another nation. If he wants that power, then let him run for political office in Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, etc.


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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And your evidence for that is? Putin moved on Crimea AFTER Western interference in Kiev produced a situation that Russia perceived as a potential threat to its assets in Crimea. As to the following events on Ukraine's eastern border, it makes as much sense that Putin would support those seeking self determination and autonomy as it does that Israel and Jordan would be supporting separatists fighting Assad in Syria. You have no evidence that Putin is on a Hitleresque campaign to take Europe (not that you have used that language, but many here have) or that his goals go "far beyond Crimea" whatever that means. I do think its apparent that Putin has drawn his red line, and that we won't see any further eastward expansion of NATO, not without a big fight at any rate.
    I completely agree that Putin's move on Crimea was a response to Ukraine's westward turn. That turn was not the product of Western interference, but reflected the aspirations of Ukrainians. Putin's objectives are to break the Ukrainian government, cow the EU and destroy NATO.
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