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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Right. But the whole point is that the West enabled that by pretending that EU/NATO partnership might be a reality.

    We screwed them over with false hope.
    EU/NATO partnership remains a viable goal for the Ukrainians.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Too many people probably go to college now, but that's a different discussion. I take it you're not aware that military service is a primary means to acquire a college education for young people who otherwise could not afford it.
    too many people go to college? i disagree.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/26/bu...lege.html?_r=0

    we don't need to participate in every war in order to send our kids to college.

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    EU/NATO partnership remains a viable goal for the Ukrainians.
    Yeah, if they enjoy getting occupied by Russia, I suppose.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Yeah, if they enjoy getting occupied by Russia, I suppose.
    They will fight for their freedom and independence as we did.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

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    too many people go to college? i disagree.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/26/bu...lege.html?_r=0

    we don't need to participate in every war in order to send our kids to college.
    The fact that the percentage going to college has fallen is not on point regarding how many should go.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The fact that the percentage going to college has fallen is not on point regarding how many should go.
    and i don't much care what percentage of kids you personally think is the ideal number to send to college, Jack. i don't support endless war either way. i think the money is better spent on education and other things that make our country better. you and i are never going to agree on this and i doubt we have much common ground, so the discussion is fairly pointless.

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    and i don't much care what percentage of kids you personally think is the ideal number to send to college, Jack. i don't support endless war either way. i think the money is better spent on education and other things that make our country better. you and i are never going to agree on this and i doubt we have much common ground, so the discussion is fairly pointless.
    As far back as 1798:
    Robert Goodloe Harper - "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute."

    There has not been and will not be "endless war." That conceit says more about the ease of life for most Americans than it does about calls for sacrifice. There were over ten times as many American deaths in Vietnam than in Afghanistan and Iraq combined. And education blossomed. Don't claim that defense undermines education because that's just not true.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    As far back as 1798:
    Robert Goodloe Harper - "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute."

    There has not been and will not be "endless war." That conceit says more about the ease of life for most Americans than it does about calls for sacrifice. There were over ten times as many American deaths in Vietnam than in Afghanistan and Iraq combined. And education blossomed. Don't claim that defense undermines education because that's just not true.
    and you do realize that we can send the kids to school instead, right? we've tried the neoconservative worldview, and it hasn't worked. it's time to try something different.

    either way, vote for whatever hawk you want. i'm not going to do that.

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Pretty pictures, flying the Stars & Stripes.

    If Russia were doing that in Mexico or Cuba, would we be apoplectic?
    Russia did it for decades in Cuba until it became such a economic parasite that they got the hell out.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    and you do realize that we can send the kids to school instead, right? we've tried the neoconservative worldview, and it hasn't worked. it's time to try something different.

    either way, vote for whatever hawk you want. i'm not going to do that.
    Strong defense allows us to send the kids to school.

    I've never been a neoconservative myself, although I admire the courage of their intellectual journey from the far left. I also applaud their history of leadership on social causes. Nonetheless, I'm just an old-fashioned American: hard money, strong defense, individual liberty.
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