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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The US needs a larger defense budget. Decisions whether there will be war are not ours alone to make.
    i don't agree. i think we need to spend the money on other things for a few decades. there is no need for us to spend more on defense than many other countries combined. if the western world wants an army, it can build and fund one.

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    And THAT convinces you you know what "a great majority" of Ukrainians want......

    Don't seek a career in intelligence gathering OK?
    That and the fact that most opinion polls reflected it

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    That and the fact that most opinion polls reflected it
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    As memory serves, believe Czar Alexander used what is now Ukraine as a diversion when at war with Sweden over that area
    That was Czar Peter I ("The Great") vs Charles XII of Sweden at Poltava in 1709. Ironically, in that campaign it was Russia that acted as a buffer for Ukraine. Charles went through Russia and then headed south to link up with a Cossack rebellion led by Ivan Mazepa.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That was Czar Peter I ("The Great") vs Charles XII of Sweden at Poltava in 1709. Ironically, in that campaign it was Russia that acted as a buffer for Ukraine. Charles went through Russia and then headed south to link up with a Cossack rebellion led by Ivan Mazepa.
    OK....wrong Czar, wrong country, but in Obamaland I'm still right.

    I knew distraction was in there and a connection to Napoleon having learned from it
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i don't agree. i think we need to spend the money on other things for a few decades. there is no need for us to spend more on defense than many other countries combined. if the western world wants an army, it can build and fund one.

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    Country to country comparisons are deceptive. A Chinese soldier, for example is much cheaper than an American. A strong defense costs a lot. A weak one would cost more.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    OK....wrong Czar, wrong country, but in Obamaland I'm still right.

    I knew distraction was in there and a connection to Napoleon having learned from it
    Yup. Napoleon was never tempted by Ukraine.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Country to country comparisons are deceptive. A Chinese soldier, for example is much cheaper than an American. A strong defense costs a lot. A weak one would cost more.
    there's nothing deceptive about it. if a western world army is needed to solve every problem, then it needs to build one. we should be sending our kids to college.

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    there's nothing deceptive about it. if a western world army is needed to solve every problem, then it needs to build one. we should be sending our kids to college.
    Too many people probably go to college now, but that's a different discussion. I take it you're not aware that military service is a primary means to acquire a college education for young people who otherwise could not afford it.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Well yes ...

    Thats true, but Ukraine still has the right to ask and not expect to be invaded just for doing so
    Right. But the whole point is that the West enabled that by pretending that EU/NATO partnership might be a reality.

    We screwed them over with false hope.
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