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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Unfortunately NATO troops aren’t supporting or fortifying these former USSR countries in an effort to protect their fledgling democracies from KGB Chief and Russian dictator Vladimir Putin. I’m willing to bet that Ukraine and several former Soviet countries will be annexed into Russia before Obama leaves office.
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    Interesting. By their choice or by force?

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, GPS_Flex.

    Interesting. By their choice or by force?
    By their choice and per their ongoing requests.

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I wonder if Biden's son can sort this mess out. He was very recently given a spot on the Ukrainian Oil and Gas Corporation Board of Directors, so maybe he has some ideas that can help the Ukrainian people to avoid freezing to death before a decision is reached on how to handle this.
    Biden's son is certainly just what that problem takes.

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Biden's son is certainly just what that problem takes.
    No doubt.

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Budget size does matter. On the ground they masy ot be complaining of budget cuts, but they'll be complaining that the Americans got all the good gadgets.
    SAS doesn't complain about their tools.

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    Also, that's funny, if the SAS were better why did they fail to capture Bin Laden while Seal team 6, the oh so bad baddies killed the ****er in his friend's house?
    LOL.. you really are ignorant on how the system works. Here are 3 basic reasons why..

    1) Was a CIA op.

    2) CIA gives these types of missions in house (means US units only).

    3) JSOC was ran by William H. McRaven at the time. McRaven is a Navy SEAL. So it obviously went to ST6 over Delta.

    Now if CIA had decided to toss it to SAS. There wouldn't be that many loose lips about the operations and so many books by guys who claimed to have had the kill shot.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Budget size absolutely does mafter. The smaller your budget the less money is available for comducting training and good training costs a ton of money. It also allows you to test out new equipment and ways to do things. It also allows you to have a much better support system. Things like that make a huge difference.

    Also the bigger the pool you are drawing from the more likely you are to get the perfect candidate. And you got anything to back up that the SAS is the most selective or just your opinion.

    Also while you are right that the SAS has been as busy as the rest of our SOF what about the rest of their military. How much combat experience are those new recruites bringing to the SAS when they come over. The majority of huys going over to Delta already have 6 or 7 combat trips if not more along with years working in SOF. All of those things matter. And to continually try and claim that because some of our SOF is based of Brittish SOF they somehow are better is just silly. Who may or may not have been better 40 years ago has zero bearing on who is better now.

    Don't get me wrong, I am not saying ours are better than theirs or anything like that. In this day and age the difference between any top teir SOF element is very very small and a competition between them would more than likely come down to who was having a better day.

    With that said having worked with SEALs quite a bit I am not a huge fan of how that organization is run.
    Special Operations money is black budget money. Doesn't exist on paper as you know. UKSF selection (SAS and SBS) is quiet solitary. SAS and SBS selects guys who have combat experience. SAS requires 3 years of service prior and picks those who are combat under their belt. SBS typically selects Royal Marines after 2 years of service. SAS and SBS has a maximum try out age.. 32 is the cutoff. Delta doesn't have that hard cut off (that I know of) and typically recruits from Rangers, SF and other special operations units so they tend to have more deployments. But the road is still the same. Gotta have service (time) under your belt. SAS likes to get their hands on you earlier because they see you as a long term project. Delta gets the guys they don't have to "train" up that much.

    I've already said that the difference is small. That SAS and Delta are pretty close.. but SAS and Delta are ahead of ST6. Marcinko always regretted not setting up a formal selection process for ST6 and there still isn't one.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    We will not be at war with Russia. Russia has invaded Ukraine, and the Ukrainians will defend their independence and freedom. We will help them, as free people do when facing aggression.
    we will be in a proxy war with Russia, as we are now. neither side will take it farther than that, hopefully.

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Rebutted so many times now by someone who knows a lot better about all things Russian or Ukrainian

    The Ukraine crisis according to John J. Mearsheimer: Impeccable Logic, Wrong Facts

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    US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Rebutted so many times now by someone who knows a lot better about all things Russian or Ukrainian

    The Ukraine crisis according to John J. Mearsheimer: Impeccable Logic, Wrong Facts
    You posted it once.

    Its initial premise is that all the facts are wrong because Mearsheimer got the location of the Napoleonic invasions wrong.
    His second premise is that NATO is 'not an impressive military alliance'.

    And I pointed out it was a bit silly, and I'm sure you'd trumpet a Ukrainian peasant woman as 'knowing more about all things Ukrainian' if she agreed with your view.

    Here's the meat of the Mearsheimer argument:

    “Putin’s actions should be easy to comprehend,” writes Mearsheimer. Ukraine is a “huge expanse of flat land that Napoleonic France, imperial Germany, and Nazi Germany all crossed to strike at Russia itself.” Since Ukraine serves as a “buffer state of enormous strategic importance to Russia … no Russian leader would tolerate a military alliance that was Moscow’s mortal enemy until recently moving into Ukraine.” By the same token, no “Russian leader [would] stand idly by while the West helped install a government there that was determined to integrate Ukraine into the West.” After all, “great powers are always sensitive to potential threats near their home territory.”
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    For an easier read, Mearschiemer also had an editorial in the NYT:

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/02/09...referrer=&_r=0
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