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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I'm so glad you approve of my fear, Flogger!
    But not of your obvious sarcastic cynicism it has to be said
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    And so you should be. They have a despot at the helm and are rearming hand over fist while the West dithers over its armed aggression. This new Russia is the greatest threat we face in the world today and we ignore or dismiss it at our peril. Forget ISIS they don't have the megatonnage.
    We don't face a Russian threat at all. Ukraine does. Russia isn't invading Poland anytime soon. Or ever.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    We don't face a Russian threat at all. Ukraine does. Russia isn't invading Poland anytime soon. Or ever.
    The West and Poland supposedly wasn't facing a threat when Hitler annexed the Sudetenland either

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    And I am calling him a closet Nazi. For his comments: Nationalism, deal with it. There are American nationalists, that's a thing.



    1? Rangers, Delta, and Green Berets were formed to mimic units the British created. Even CIA is models after MI6. That's be true if it wasn't for the fact the model for Delta Force for selection has been identical to SAS selection since the 70s. They still on a yearly basis have an exchange program where both sides sees what others are doing.




    LOL!!!!

    Budget size doesn't matter in reality. On the ground they aren't saying "well they cut our budget or our budget is smaller we should just pack up and go home". Bigger military pool (people) but SAS is the most selective Special Operations unit in the world. They will cut you just for just one mistake, they gave a perfection or not at all attitude... and had a big issue with the US Navy Seals (ST6) failure in rescuing Linda Norgrove because the Seal who tossed the nade that killed her had done it previously in other missions.

    If you think SAS hasn't be 100% active during the same period you are crazy. SAS was tasked with some of the most dangerous ops during Iraq and Afghanistan because of their ability. Stanley McChrystal and David Patraeus said the same stuff. SAS itself has been active all over the world for a better part of 75 years. Be it WW2, Malayan Emergency, Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation, Dhofar Rebellion (Battle of Mirbat), Northern Ireland which was 30 years of a **** storm, Sierra Leone (recuse of British peace keepers), then all NATO related operations.

    So you want to talk about advantages? SAS has 75 years of it.
    Budget size absolutely does mafter. The smaller your budget the less money is available for comducting training and good training costs a ton of money. It also allows you to test out new equipment and ways to do things. It also allows you to have a much better support system. Things like that make a huge difference.

    Also the bigger the pool you are drawing from the more likely you are to get the perfect candidate. And you got anything to back up that the SAS is the most selective or just your opinion.

    Also while you are right that the SAS has been as busy as the rest of our SOF what about the rest of their military. How much combat experience are those new recruites bringing to the SAS when they come over. The majority of huys going over to Delta already have 6 or 7 combat trips if not more along with years working in SOF. All of those things matter. And to continually try and claim that because some of our SOF is based of Brittish SOF they somehow are better is just silly. Who may or may not have been better 40 years ago has zero bearing on who is better now.

    Don't get me wrong, I am not saying ours are better than theirs or anything like that. In this day and age the difference between any top teir SOF element is very very small and a competition between them would more than likely come down to who was having a better day.

    With that said having worked with SEALs quite a bit I am not a huge fan of how that organization is run.

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    The West and Poland supposedly wasn't facing a threat when Hitler annexed the Sudetenland either
    Really? You may want to brush up on your history...
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Really? You may want to brush up on your history...
    The policy was called appeasement at the time and you might want to brush up on yours. Hitler claimed he had no further demands in Europe and we were desperate to believe him in order to avoid war. The analogies with what Putin is up to in Ukraine are chilling

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    The policy was called appeasement at the time and you might want to brush up on yours. Hitler claimed he had no further demands in Europe and we were desperate to believe him in order to avoid war. The analogies with what Putin is up to in Ukraine are chilling
    Sure. That's why the UK started a military buildup at that point... Because no one expected conflict.

    The analogies are not chilling, unless you like to scare yourself and see Russkies under your bed at night.
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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Sure. That's why the UK started a military buildup at that point... Because no one expected conflict.

    The analogies are not chilling, unless you like to scare yourself and see Russkies under your bed at night.
    The Nelsonian quote of "I see no ships" suddenly springs to mind here

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    but what do the wartime tax brackets look like? which wars should we participate in? how long will the US occupy and rebuild these nations? and which social safety nets would you cut in order to fund endless war, and by how much?
    All of this would depend on the context of any military actions. I dont need to explain every sparrows fall, the left certainly does not.

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    Re: US, NATO Troops Parade Near Russian Border in Estonia

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You know many of these "handouts" benefit veterans during the war?
    If its for men who are risking their lives to defend this nation, its not a handout, is it?

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