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Report: Chicago police shoot teen 16 times[W:158]

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The German said:
I`d strangle a person who slashes the tires of my car with his own guts.



But I would like the police to handle such a situation in a more civilised manner if possible.
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Typical German redneck.
 
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US Conservative said:
Apparently he's not as color blind as the left likes to suggest. Perhaps he was going by the kids name? Seems kind of stereotypical to me.
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Color blind is not the opposite of racist. Racist is assuming that racial stereotypes must apply because you think they must.

You see, like you did.
 
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shrubnose said:
Not for this young man, he's going to his grave. :roll:
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The young man is now not the issue - the police action or reaction as well as the level of reaction is the issue.
 
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US Conservative said:
Its not subscriber only, several articles can be read there. If you are disputing the stats, kindly provide your evidence. :2wave:
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The article you posted is subscriber only. Ergo, there is no specific statistical evidence to dispute. It was an op ed piece by one of white conservative America's favorite black men which you summarized. That may pass as "statistical evidence" to the paramedic field but it does not past muster for a discourse on Laquan McDonald's murder.

Are you able to quote the article specifically or provide the study from the organization who gathered and analyzed the statistics? When you're ready to do that maybe this goes somewhere.
 
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US Conservative said:
Because his heart was beating. Thats how blood accumulated in his plural space and subdural space.

Like I said, I have a medical background.

You on the other hand, have not demonstrated how you somehow know that he was dead by the 5th shot. Im interested because theres no way anyone there could have known that. :2wave:
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Pretentious medical language notwithstanding, you have no idea whether or not he was dead.

On what specific page of the autopsy report does it state Laquan McDonald was alive after being shot 5 times because "blood accumulated in his plural space and subdural space."

"I have a medical background." :lol: Ever conducted an autopsy? Or did you sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
 
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So the argument is, they killed him TOO dead?

I don't see the issue here.
 
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US Conservative said:
Seems like he had a knife, didn't comply, and even after being shot once was still aggressive towards cops.

Too bad he probably didn't have a father around to teach him how to behave.
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HenryChinaski said:
He was shot twice in the back! You shoot somebody in the chest I doubt they're that much of a threat. Shoot two more times , there's no way, 16 times is overkill.
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Actually this is not true. There was a case some years ago of a cop who shot a subject twice in the chest, then stopped firing (assuming the guy would drop). The guy then raised his rifle and shot the cop squarely through the heart, killing him.

This is one of the reasons dept policy was changed from "shoot twice and evaluate" to "keep shooting until the threat has clearly ceased" in cases where police are threatened with deadly weapons.

And in training, they go to great lengths to make sure cops understand that a knife is a deadly weapon, because peeps tend to think "gun > knife". See a few dead cops autopsy photos with gaping knife wounds and you get over that preconception.

I gather than multiple cops were firing (no surprise, one shoots all shoot).... two or three cops could have fired 16 times in two or three seconds.

Studies of actual shooting incidents have shown that a subject can be shot through the heart and sometimes still be in the fight for up to six seconds.
 
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Declan said:
Not sure but I suspect that my police department would have to fire off at least 400 rounds to put 16 in somebody based on their history of shooting up walls and ceilings and junk.
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No, depending on rapid the firing is a human target close enough you get hits on every trigger pull but 16 says two officers were firing unless the weapon is 15 in the clip with one in the chamber. I don't know if an 9mms can do that.
 
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rhinefire said:
No, depending on rapid the firing is a human target close enough you get hits on every trigger pull but 16 says two officers were firing unless the weapon is 15 in the clip with one in the chamber. I don't know if an 9mms can do that.
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My local PD was involved in a controversial killing of a suicidal mentally ill person a decade or so ago. There were like 5 officers firing inside a house on the man who did not have a gun and they fired an ungodly number of rounds only to strike him a few times. Of course they were all cleared because he had a knife and was not responding to their demands of him, but it is kind of a local joke I guess that the more officers there are, the less likely one will hit you.
 
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rocket88 said:
Color blind is not the opposite of racist. Racist is assuming that racial stereotypes must apply because you think they must.

You see, like you did.
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Its remarkable watching you dance around on this. :lol:

I never mentioned race. I never brought up race. Nobody else mentioned race, not even the article in the op.
And yet you immediately accused me or racism. :lol:

Now do tell, how have I "assumed that racial stereotypes must apply"
 
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Frantz Fanon said:
The article you posted is subscriber only. Ergo, there is no specific statistical evidence to dispute. It was an op ed piece by one of white conservative America's favorite black men which you summarized. That may pass as "statistical evidence" to the paramedic field but it does not past muster for a discourse on Laquan McDonald's murder.

Are you able to quote the article specifically or provide the study from the organization who gathered and analyzed the statistics? When you're ready to do that maybe this goes somewhere.
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First of all its not, I was able to go to the article, read through it, and post the stats I did-im not a subscriber. I have no idea why you can't. Second, additional stats from other sources have been cited in this thread, they were actually worse than mine.

And there is plenty more out there, which you could find at any time. What you are doing, is attempting to dismiss sources to fit your own biased view, essentially sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "I can't hear you!". Maybe its because you dont like what the facts are.

And for the record, Im not just a Paramedic, I also practice medicine and will have my medical doctorate by late spring. :2wave:
 
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US Conservative said:
Its remarkable watching you dance around on this. :lol:

I never mentioned race. I never brought up race. Nobody else mentioned race, not even the article in the op.
And yet you immediately accused me or racism. :lol:

Now do tell, how have I "assumed that racial stereotypes must apply"
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He really really wanted you use racial stereotypes...really really bad.
 
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Maybe that police department should consider changing to handguns with more stopping power. I recall seeing video of a criminal who had been hit eleven times with 9mm bullets but was still running around and shooting back. He was able to get into a police car, start it, and roar away. He finally died from loss of blood after he'd driven a few hundred yards down the road.
 
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Frantz Fanon said:
Pretentious medical language notwithstanding, you have no idea whether or not he was dead.

On what specific page of the autopsy report does it state Laquan McDonald was alive after being shot 5 times because "blood accumulated in his plural space and subdural space."

"I have a medical background." :lol: Ever conducted an autopsy? Or did you sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
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You dont have enough background knowledge to even know what you dont know.
The heart (and arteries) pump blood-pressure is required for blood to flow. The fact that blood accumulated where it did (around the lung/brain) can only happen if the heart pumped it there. Dead people dont bleed, rather blood is forced towards the ground via gravity.

And once again, the autopsy report does not state the sequence of shots-nor can it-all it can tell as far as shot sequence is if shots were made while the patient was alive or dead and even then during the agonal phase thats hard to do.

I have participated in dozens of autopsies, btw, it was part of my education. They are always led by a forensic pathologist. :2wave:
 
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US Conservative said:
Cash always wins. Heres my fav about having a daddy around...
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You shouldn't post any Cash. He surely wouldn't have taken the authoritarian stance and blindly supported law enforcement and the result of this incident.
 
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Lursa said:
The OP story is not that amazing. Here, we had an innocent guy, in bed, shot 16 times by the cops...and they didnt even manage to kill him! They did pretty much destroy all his chances for a normal life tho, and the courts have awarded him about $5 million. Approx 3 last yr and 2 mil last week.

Cops went looking for a suspect, found this guy in bed in the basement (not the suspect), he was unarmed, "they fired in a darkened bedroom," and they shot him 16 times. Didnt identify their target, he was unarmed, and they then didnt even manage to kill him with 16 shots? The shootings were found to be justified and the cops are still on the job.

*smh*
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Goodness, that's a system that's clearly broken. Can't imagine how in hell those shooters are still on the job.
 
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