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    Re: Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That's not what Bilbo said. Which everything involving Clinton and what he did.....makes a point Monte. That point being.....looks like you will need to find another than just Buuuuuush Jr. Your usual fall guy.




    In Clinton's 1998 State of the Union Address, he warned Congress of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's possible pursuit of nuclear weapons:

    Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation's wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. The United Nations weapons inspectors have done a truly remarkable job, finding and destroying more of Iraq's arsenal than was destroyed during the entire gulf war. Now, Saddam Hussein wants to stop them from completing their mission. I know I speak for everyone in this chamber, Republicans and Democrats, when I say to Saddam Hussein, "You cannot defy the will of the world", and when I say to him, "You have used weapons of mass destruction before; we are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again.[27].....snip~


    On December 16–19, 1998, Clinton ordered four days of concentrated air attacks against military installations in Iraq. This was in response to Saddam's refusal to cooperate with UN inspectors. After the bombing, Hussein blocked any further UN inspections and announced its attempt to shoot down Coalition aircraft in the no-fly zones over Iraq. For several years afterward, U.S. and Coalition aircraft routinely attacked hostile Iraqi defense installations in Iraq, in response to what the Clinton administration claimed were "provocations" by the Iraqi military, including antiaircraft fire and radar locks on U.S. and Coalition aircraft. The UN sanctions against Iraq that the United Nations Security Council imposed after the Gulf War remained in place during the Clinton administration. These sanctions are alleged to have contributed to increased child mortality there.[30][31] Albright later wrote "Saddam Hussein could have prevented any child from suffering simply by meeting his obligations.[32].....snip~

    Foreign policy of the Bill Clinton administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Thanks MMC for nicely demonstrating the point I always make. Democrats and republicans have both failed in ME policy in the past and still. So if you want new, fresh and sound policy that produces peace and stability in the Middle East, you need to replace all leadership and start with new ideas. Stale Bush/Clinton isn't it. And if Americans install another one of those losers in the White House, then apparently the big "L" has been misplaced all this time.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith - Telegraph



    So tell me again, Mr. Obama and his fellow apologists, that 99 percent of Muslims are peace-loving people.

    Tell me how ISIS is just poor, disenfranchised youth that have been lured by "violent extremists" who have hijacked this peaceful religion to carry out atrocities in the name of a religion that is otherwise pure and wholesome.
    That's what happens when you don't have separation of church and state. Moreover, that is Sunni Wahhabism which does not dominate Islam anymore than southern Baptism dominates Christianity. So painting Muslims with the broad brush is something that only the uneducated do.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Thanks MMC for nicely demonstrating the point I always make. Democrats and republicans have both failed in ME policy in the past and still. So if you want new, fresh and sound policy that produces peace and stability in the Middle East, you need to replace all leadership and start with new ideas. Stale Bush/Clinton isn't it. And if Americans install another one of those losers in the White House, then apparently the big "L" has been misplaced all this time.

    Oh, I have known all along Monte with whats been going on with Foreign Policy and both sides of the divide. Including all that lead up to Bush Jr taking the reins.

    The problem with the theory is that part which comes with what those in the ME want. As they could and should bring about that peace and stability. If they can't and spills over to other areas. Then someone will have to do it for them. Whether they like it or not.

    Question is.....when does the rest of the planet award the ME, a Clock.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oh, I have known all along Monte with whats been going on with Foreign Policy and both sides of the divide. Including all that lead up to Bush Jr taking the reins.

    The problem with the theory is that part which comes with what those in the ME want. As they could and should bring about that peace and stability. If they can't and spills over to other areas. Then someone will have to do it for them. Whether they like it or not.

    Question is.....when does the rest of the planet award the ME, a Clock.
    And clearly the US has been impotent as the party to do anything for them. So, we either do something different, or we get the hell out of the way and let somebody else.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    ...while preaching how we should all tolerate nutcase religions.
    Well yes, being tolerant of all religions is definitely a core liberal belief.
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    Re: Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Well yes, being tolerant of all religions is definitely a core liberal belief.
    As long as they're not hurting anyone, which the Wahabbists certainly are.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And clearly the US has been impotent as the party to do anything for them. So, we either do something different, or we get the hell out of the way and let somebody else.
    Well the Europeans were there before us.....did you want to leave it to Russia and or China? Let them dictate for their region?

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    Re: Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well the Europeans were there before us.....did you want to leave it to Russia and or China? Let them dictate for their region?
    Do you think it's globally recognized that it's up to the US to fix or break the Middle East, and if not us, that it's our decision on who it should be? Look around, American arrogance has run its course, and things are changing.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith

    Isn't this a moderate muslim country?
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    Re: Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Do you think it's globally recognized that it's up to the US to fix or break the Middle East, and if not us, that it's our decision on who it should be? Look around, American arrogance has run its course, and things are changing.
    Post 63 I said it was on those in the ME.....I also mentioned if they cannot or would not solve the problem. Then it is left to others to solve it for them. So if not the US.....or the UN. Who else?

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