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Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith

No issue here since they are your closest ally.
 
MMC said:
Well, didn't you say Bush made **** up about Saddam? Wonder where he got that from, huh?



On June 26, 1993, Clinton ordered a cruise missile attack on the Iraqi Intelligence Service's (IIS) principal command and control complex in Baghdad, publicly announced as retaliation for the assassination attempt by the IIS on former President George H. W. Bush while he was visiting Kuwait in April of that year to commemorate a coalition victory over Iraq in the Persian Gulf War. Fourteen cruise missiles were launched from the USS Peterson and nine were launched from the USS Chancellorsville. Sixteen of the missiles hit the target; three struck a residential area, killing nine civilians and wounding 12. Four of the missiles were unaccounted for.[20] This strike was in violation of international law, although that point is contentious.[21]


The UNSCOM team faced resistance from Iraq, which blocked inspections and hid deadly germ agents and warheads.[28] Clinton then threatened military action several times when Iraqi President Saddam Hussein attempted to stall the UNSCOM inspections.[29] To weaken Saddam Hussein's grip of power, Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act into law on October 31, 1998, which instituted a policy of "regime change" against Iraq, though it explicitly stated it did not speak to the use of American. military forces. On December 16–19, 1998, Clinton ordered four days of concentrated air attacks against military installations in Iraq. This was in response to Saddam's refusal to cooperate with UN inspectors. After the bombing, Hussein blocked any further UN inspections and announced its attempt to shoot down Coalition aircraft in the no-fly zones over Iraq. For several years afterward, U.S. and Coalition aircraft routinely attacked hostile Iraqi defense installations in Iraq, in response to what the Clinton administration claimed were "provocations" by the Iraqi military, including antiaircraft fire and radar locks on U.S. and Coalition aircraft.....snip~

Foreign policy of the Bill Clinton administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Ok, you're now arguing that it was Clinton that made it up! Dude, either way, the American government made **** up about Saddam Hussein, that was not true, launched a war that killed a couple hundred thousand civilians, made refugees of millions more, cost about a trillion dollars and took the lives of 4,500 of my countrymen. And by a Bush era NIE, made terrorism worse and America less safe. What exactly is your point???
 
Erod said:
Good gosh. I'm not blaming Obama for the actions of the Saudis, but I'm calling him out for dismissing the Islamic jihad movement as a 1 percent fringe element of Islam. It's not.
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No, it isn't. We finally found something we agree on.
 
americanwoman said:
So if all Muslims should be judged based on a corrupt government maybe I should judge you based on Obama and you must be an apologist for him. Since you know the actions of the government must speak for all the people.

I mean do you actually even know any Saudi's or do you just speak for people and a culture you have no idea about? Because the ones I do sure as hell don't agree or support such extremism.
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Let's Judge on a Worldwide Muslim Poll instead.
And it looks pretty damn bad.
BTW, I don't see Saudi Arabia as any more corrupt than the average Muslim govt.

brothern said:
Ok. Saudi Arabia is run by Wahhabists. The number of Muslims in the world totals 1.57 billion, and even if we assume liberals don't exist in Saudi Arabia, it's population is 29 million.

Or 29 million / 1.57 billion = 98%.

Regardless, this guy is most likely an atheist, who like most all atheist, probably thinks it's a great idea to secularize both the Christian and Islamic world.
ISIS doesn't operate in Saudi Arabia.
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And here's the Numbers on Most of the Pious Rest, 1 BILLION+, who in SIGNIFICANT Minority or Majority Favor SAME.
And note the liberal Euro-countries (Bosnia, Kosovo, etc) probably contain Less people Total than live in Saudi Arabia.

They ALL don't believe what ISIS does, but the views are nonetheless, pretty Disturbing.

Pew Muslim world Poll.
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Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Iran, are Not even in the poll, and as such, numbers are Lower in Piety/Brutality.

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Let's see, thats well OVER 1 Billion More who in no small Number Favor Hideous punishment.

MORE ISLAMO-APOLOGISM BUSTED
Yup, "98%" of the non-Saudis/Wahabs are just like you and me; secular!
They have no problem with Apostasy (?)
Yup.


Yes, Islam has been "Hijacked" by the Keepers of the Holy Places, Hundreds of Million/perhaps a majority of Muslims, and the Cleanser Mohammed and his successors.
They just don't understand Islam Like Western PC Leftists!
Yup, Islam is Just "Christianity East" with "a few bad apples".
Yup.
 
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jimbo said:
Bush is gone, 7 years ago. The new guy promised to change all that.

The fact that I kerp repeating myself to answer liberal talking points is a clear indication that the liberal argument never changes.
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Another Bush could very well be our president, and he probably also has a cozy relationship with the Saudis. The Saudis have a lot of say in pushing philosophical branches of Islam and religious extremism given they control Mecca, and almost every Muslim in the world goes there, especially one's studying to be religious leaders. Most of the Muslims I know are critical of the Saudis for doing so little to stamp out radicalism, and many Saudis consider their king a puppet of the US. It's another Egypt waiting to happen IMO. The people will inevitably get pissed, and they will blame the US for propping up their government and filling it's coffers.
 
The White House, President George W. Bush

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
September 17, 2001

"Islam is Peace" Says President
Remarks by the President at Islamic Center of Washington, D.C.
Washington, D.C.

View the President's Remarks
Listen to the President's Remarks

3:12 P.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you all very much for your hospitality. We've just had a -- wide-ranging discussions on the matter at hand. Like the good folks standing with me, the American people were appalled and outraged at last Tuesday's attacks. And so were Muslims all across the world. Both Americans and Muslim friends and citizens, tax-paying citizens, and Muslims in nations were just appalled and could not believe what we saw on our TV screens.

These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith. And it's important for my fellow Americans to understand that.

The English translation is not as eloquent as the original Arabic, but let me quote from the Koran, itself: In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.

The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war.

When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace. And that's made brothers and sisters out of every race -- out of every race.

America counts millions of Muslims amongst our citizens, and Muslims make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country. Muslims are doctors, lawyers, law professors, members of the military, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, moms and dads. And they need to be treated with respect. In our anger and emotion, our fellow Americans must treat each other with respect.

Women who cover their heads in this country must feel comfortable going outside their homes. Moms who wear cover must be not intimidated in America. That's not the America I know. That's not the America I value.

I've been told that some fear to leave; some don't want to go shopping for their families; some don't want to go about their ordinary daily routines because, by wearing cover, they're afraid they'll be intimidated. That should not and that will not stand in America.

Those who feel like they can intimidate our fellow citizens to take out their anger don't represent the best of America, they represent the worst of humankind, and they should be ashamed of that kind of behavior.

This is a great country. It's a great country because we share the same values of respect and dignity and human worth. And it is my honor to be meeting with leaders who feel just the same way I do. They're outraged, they're sad. They love America just as much as I do.

I want to thank you all for giving me a chance to come by. And may God bless us all.

END 3:19 P.M. EDT

"Islam is Peace" Says President
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:peace
 
Montecresto said:
Ok, you're now arguing that it was Clinton that made it up! Dude, either way, the American government made **** up about Saddam Hussein, that was not true, launched a war that killed a couple hundred thousand civilians, made refugees of millions more, cost about a trillion dollars and took the lives of 4,500 of my countrymen. And by a Bush era NIE, made terrorism worse and America less safe. What exactly is your point???
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The Point Monte was what you brought up and now you were shown how Bilbo all predated that BS with Buuuuuuuush Jr who you try to focus much of the blame on. So your bit of revisionist history. Just needed to be placed in the proper perspective that was required.

Now you can continue on with your usual.
 
It's not liberals who think there should be more religion in government...
 
MMC said:
The Point Monte was what you brought up and now you were shown how Bilbo all predated that BS with Buuuuuuuush Jr who you try to focus much of the blame on. So your bit of revisionist history. Just needed to be placed in the proper perspective that was required.

Now you can continue on with your usual.
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So the Iraq war was a joint effort between Clinton and Bush? Fine, run with that then. You still have America attacking another country that hadn't attacked us, hadn't any connection to the terrorist organizations as claimed, and then broke this country, and own a broken mess to this day, as Colin Powell warned. Again, what's your point?
 
Montecresto said:
So the Iraq war was a joint effort between Clinton and Bush? Fine, run with that then. You still have America attacking another country that hadn't attacked us, hadn't any connection to the terrorist organizations as claimed, and then broke this country, and own a broken mess to this day, as Colin Powell warned. Again, what's your point?
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That's not what Bilbo said. Which everything involving Clinton and what he did.....makes a point Monte. That point being.....looks like you will need to find another than just Buuuuuush Jr. Your usual fall guy.




In Clinton's 1998 State of the Union Address, he warned Congress of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's possible pursuit of nuclear weapons:

Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation's wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. The United Nations weapons inspectors have done a truly remarkable job, finding and destroying more of Iraq's arsenal than was destroyed during the entire gulf war. Now, Saddam Hussein wants to stop them from completing their mission. I know I speak for everyone in this chamber, Republicans and Democrats, when I say to Saddam Hussein, "You cannot defy the will of the world", and when I say to him, "You have used weapons of mass destruction before; we are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again.[27].....snip~


On December 16–19, 1998, Clinton ordered four days of concentrated air attacks against military installations in Iraq. This was in response to Saddam's refusal to cooperate with UN inspectors. After the bombing, Hussein blocked any further UN inspections and announced its attempt to shoot down Coalition aircraft in the no-fly zones over Iraq. For several years afterward, U.S. and Coalition aircraft routinely attacked hostile Iraqi defense installations in Iraq, in response to what the Clinton administration claimed were "provocations" by the Iraqi military, including antiaircraft fire and radar locks on U.S. and Coalition aircraft. The UN sanctions against Iraq that the United Nations Security Council imposed after the Gulf War remained in place during the Clinton administration. These sanctions are alleged to have contributed to increased child mortality there.[30][31] Albright later wrote "Saddam Hussein could have prevented any child from suffering simply by meeting his obligations.[32].....snip~

Foreign policy of the Bill Clinton administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
MMC said:
That's not what Bilbo said. Which everything involving Clinton and what he did.....makes a point Monte. That point being.....looks like you will need to find another than just Buuuuuush Jr. Your usual fall guy.




In Clinton's 1998 State of the Union Address, he warned Congress of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's possible pursuit of nuclear weapons:

Together we must also confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade, and much of his nation's wealth, not on providing for the Iraqi people, but on developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. The United Nations weapons inspectors have done a truly remarkable job, finding and destroying more of Iraq's arsenal than was destroyed during the entire gulf war. Now, Saddam Hussein wants to stop them from completing their mission. I know I speak for everyone in this chamber, Republicans and Democrats, when I say to Saddam Hussein, "You cannot defy the will of the world", and when I say to him, "You have used weapons of mass destruction before; we are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again.[27].....snip~


On December 16–19, 1998, Clinton ordered four days of concentrated air attacks against military installations in Iraq. This was in response to Saddam's refusal to cooperate with UN inspectors. After the bombing, Hussein blocked any further UN inspections and announced its attempt to shoot down Coalition aircraft in the no-fly zones over Iraq. For several years afterward, U.S. and Coalition aircraft routinely attacked hostile Iraqi defense installations in Iraq, in response to what the Clinton administration claimed were "provocations" by the Iraqi military, including antiaircraft fire and radar locks on U.S. and Coalition aircraft. The UN sanctions against Iraq that the United Nations Security Council imposed after the Gulf War remained in place during the Clinton administration. These sanctions are alleged to have contributed to increased child mortality there.[30][31] Albright later wrote "Saddam Hussein could have prevented any child from suffering simply by meeting his obligations.[32].....snip~

Foreign policy of the Bill Clinton administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Thanks MMC for nicely demonstrating the point I always make. Democrats and republicans have both failed in ME policy in the past and still. So if you want new, fresh and sound policy that produces peace and stability in the Middle East, you need to replace all leadership and start with new ideas. Stale Bush/Clinton isn't it. And if Americans install another one of those losers in the White House, then apparently the big "L" has been misplaced all this time.
 
Erod said:
Saudi Arabia court gives death penalty to man who renounced his Muslim faith - Telegraph



So tell me again, Mr. Obama and his fellow apologists, that 99 percent of Muslims are peace-loving people.

Tell me how ISIS is just poor, disenfranchised youth that have been lured by "violent extremists" who have hijacked this peaceful religion to carry out atrocities in the name of a religion that is otherwise pure and wholesome.
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That's what happens when you don't have separation of church and state. Moreover, that is Sunni Wahhabism which does not dominate Islam anymore than southern Baptism dominates Christianity. So painting Muslims with the broad brush is something that only the uneducated do.
 
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Montecresto said:
Thanks MMC for nicely demonstrating the point I always make. Democrats and republicans have both failed in ME policy in the past and still. So if you want new, fresh and sound policy that produces peace and stability in the Middle East, you need to replace all leadership and start with new ideas. Stale Bush/Clinton isn't it. And if Americans install another one of those losers in the White House, then apparently the big "L" has been misplaced all this time.
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Oh, I have known all along Monte with whats been going on with Foreign Policy and both sides of the divide. Including all that lead up to Bush Jr taking the reins.

The problem with the theory is that part which comes with what those in the ME want. As they could and should bring about that peace and stability. If they can't and spills over to other areas. Then someone will have to do it for them. Whether they like it or not.

Question is.....when does the rest of the planet award the ME, a Clock.
 
MMC said:
Oh, I have known all along Monte with whats been going on with Foreign Policy and both sides of the divide. Including all that lead up to Bush Jr taking the reins.

The problem with the theory is that part which comes with what those in the ME want. As they could and should bring about that peace and stability. If they can't and spills over to other areas. Then someone will have to do it for them. Whether they like it or not.

Question is.....when does the rest of the planet award the ME, a Clock.
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And clearly the US has been impotent as the party to do anything for them. So, we either do something different, or we get the hell out of the way and let somebody else.
 
Montecresto said:
And clearly the US has been impotent as the party to do anything for them. So, we either do something different, or we get the hell out of the way and let somebody else.
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Well the Europeans were there before us.....did you want to leave it to Russia and or China? Let them dictate for their region?
 
MMC said:
Well the Europeans were there before us.....did you want to leave it to Russia and or China? Let them dictate for their region?
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Do you think it's globally recognized that it's up to the US to fix or break the Middle East, and if not us, that it's our decision on who it should be? Look around, American arrogance has run its course, and things are changing.
 
Montecresto said:
Do you think it's globally recognized that it's up to the US to fix or break the Middle East, and if not us, that it's our decision on who it should be? Look around, American arrogance has run its course, and things are changing.
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Post 63 I said it was on those in the ME.....I also mentioned if they cannot or would not solve the problem. Then it is left to others to solve it for them. So if not the US.....or the UN. Who else?
 
We'll at least hope for sarcasm in that Rev.
 
MMC said:
Post 63 I said it was on those in the ME.....I also mentioned if they cannot or would not solve the problem. Then it is left to others to solve it for them. So if not the US.....or the UN. Who else?
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Don't worry about it. The guys with the biggest contribution to the mess don't need to be the ones suggesting the remedy.
 
MMC said:
Post 63 I said it was on those in the ME.....I also mentioned if they cannot or would not solve the problem. Then it is left to others to solve it for them. So if not the US.....or the UN. Who else?
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I would call that extreme...

and it is definitely Islam
 
Montecresto said:
Don't worry about it. The guys with the biggest contribution to the mess don't need to be the ones suggesting the remedy.
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Right.....Iceland can come up with the solution once those in the ME, refuse to listen. :roll:
 
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