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    Re: State run medias vs. American apologist.

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I think the question is, whether we want to go on paying the full bill for international security. Syria, Ukraine or Iran are not our neighborhood and there are other countries there that should be pitching in and are not doing so. They have been free riding our expenditures of lives and treasure, while they use the money so saved to compete in markets for TVs and cars. Why go on paying the full price for the security of Germans, Chinese, Indians and Japanese?
    We know that that will not be possible for ever and doing so now will only shorten the time we have to install a global security system.
    Just because other countries are not pitching in does not mean we should step away. That is what makes us America. I think the sooner we except the fact that we are, in truth, exceptional, the sooner we can stop worrying about what other countries think of us. We know they don't help. We also know they use the "American's love war" tactic as a false reason to hate us. It is jealousy that drives their heart. When I hear about those here, in the U.S, who apologize for us for being America, it kind of irks.

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    Re: State run medias vs. American apologist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not to "find acceptance from the world" but in the interest of peace, security and legitimacy. Russian news doesn't have to spin anything for Russian people to see the clarity of US/EU interference in Kiev. Russians didn't have to listen to Russian news spin anything to see that despite agreements not to, NATO has expanded eastward 11 times.


    NATO's Eastward Expansion: Did the West Break Its Promise to Moscow?

    By Uwe Klußmann, Matthias Schepp and Klaus Wiegrefe

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has accused the West of breaking promises made after the fall of the Iron Curtain, saying that NATO's expansion into Eastern Europe violated commitments made during the negotiations over German reunification. Newly discovered documents from Western archives support the Russian position.

    NATO's Eastward Expansion: Did the West Break Its Promise to Moscow? - SPIEGEL ONLINE
    What peace does that bring to those who suffer from the hands of unjust dictators? And what does forcing your way into Ukraine have to do with the US breaking its promise to Moscow? Surely there is other means of doing things than by force.

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    Re: State run medias vs. American apologist.

    Quote Originally Posted by chad1389 View Post
    Just because other countries are not pitching in does not mean we should step away. That is what makes us America. I think the sooner we except the fact that we are, in truth, exceptional, the sooner we can stop worrying about what other countries think of us. We know they don't help. We also know they use the "American's love war" tactic as a false reason to hate us. It is jealousy that drives their heart. When I hear about those here, in the U.S, who apologize for us for being America, it kind of irks.
    There can be no intelligent question that the US has used its power in an exceptionally beneficial way for other countries. But it is important to understand that this is not sustainable and will lead to desaster, if we are unable to reorganize international security to a global communal responsibility.

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    Re: State run medias vs. American apologist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not to "find acceptance from the world" but in the interest of peace, security and legitimacy. Russian news doesn't have to spin anything for Russian people to see the clarity of US/EU interference in Kiev. Russians didn't have to listen to Russian news spin anything to see that despite agreements not to, NATO has expanded eastward 11 times.


    NATO's Eastward Expansion: Did the West Break Its Promise to Moscow?




    By Uwe Klußmann, Matthias Schepp and Klaus Wiegrefe

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has accused the West of breaking promises made after the fall of the Iron Curtain, saying that NATO's expansion into Eastern Europe violated commitments made during the negotiations over German reunification. Newly discovered documents from Western archives support the Russian position.

    NATO's Eastward Expansion: Did the West Break Its Promise to Moscow? - SPIEGEL ONLINE
    It was described as "not fair". These countries joined the EU, implemented democracy, had been under the heel of the Russians since 1945, nothing was placed in writing, it was a natural progession of weaker States seeking an alliance to protect their sovereignty.
    Just look to Ukraine as an example of why they were more than justified to fear the Russian bear.
    Look to the Stans where Russia arms both sides in a conflict.
    Look to the Stans and the Baltic's after Putin announce "protection of Russians in other countries"

    The best place for Russia would have been to implement Democracy and become a member of NATO.
    It is not NATO that Russia should be nervous about, and they sure as hell are nervous, but about China.
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    Re: State run medias vs. American apologist.

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    There can be no intelligent question that the US has used its power in an exceptionally beneficial way for other countries. But it is important to understand that this is not sustainable and will lead to desaster, if we are unable to reorganize international security to a global communal responsibility.
    How so? Disaster to who exactly? Those who were not chemically sprayed by Syria? Do they not wonder what could possibly happen to them next?

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    Re: State run medias vs. American apologist.

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    It was described as "not fair". These countries joined the EU, implemented democracy, had been under the heel of the Russians since 1945, nothing was placed in writing, it was a natural progession of weaker States seeking an alliance to protect their sovereignty.
    Just look to Ukraine as an example of why they were more than justified to fear the Russian bear.
    Look to the Stans where Russia arms both sides in a conflict.
    Look to the Stans and the Baltic's after Putin announce "protection of Russians in other countries"

    The best place for Russia would have been to implement Democracy and become a member of NATO.
    It is not NATO that Russia should be nervous about, and they sure as hell are nervous, but about China.
    Agree.

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    Re: State run medias vs. American apologist.

    Quote Originally Posted by chad1389 View Post
    Vladimir Putin: War with Ukraine would be 'apocalyptic' but unlikely - CNN.com

    "The latest polls show 81% of Russians have a negative view of the U.S. -- the highest number since the collapse of the Soviet Union. State-run media reports the United States wants to encroach on Russia. And the Kremlin's propaganda campaign seems to be paying off."
    "My attitude to America is bad," one woman said. "The way I watch the news, I realize the Americans want to get a hold of half of Russia."


    Allure of Normalcy: What America Still Owes the World | The New Republic

    "The conventional wisdom these days is that Americans are war-weary. But it may be more accurate to say they are world-weary. During the cold war, after all, Americans had much greater reason for war-weariness—Korea and Vietnam were 14 times more costly in terms of American deaths than Afghanistan and Iraq—but they never fully rejected the global anti- communist containment strategy that had gotten them into the wars. Today’s mood seems more analogous to the 1920s. More than 50 percent of Americans today believe that the United States “should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along the best they can on their own”—the highest number ever recorded since Pew started asking the question 50 years ago.

    If a countries government really wanted the United States to be a seen a certain way, they have the means to do so. One conflict over an issue and everything we've done to appease other nations for our improvement in their eyes could be tossed out of the window in a matter of weeks. I know not everything politically is not so much about acceptance, but it does play a role. Does it make sense to bow down from global issues, such as with strikes on Syria or not going after Iran's nuclear program, just to find acceptance from the world?
    The United States shows similar poll results regarding the Russian Federation due to the fact that they are led by a war criminal ethnic cleansing fascist; and whereas, the majority of the world has a favorable view of the United States the exact opposite is true regarding global opinion of the cult of personality led Russian Federation.

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    Re: State run medias vs. American apologist.

    Quote Originally Posted by face, your View Post
    The United States shows similar poll results regarding the Russian Federation due to the fact that they are led by a war criminal ethnic cleansing fascist; and whereas, the majority of the world has a favorable view of the United States the exact opposite is true regarding global opinion of the cult of personality led Russian Federation.
    The world has a reason to view Russia as such. Russia has given its people no reason to view us as an enemy other than for wanting to stop their invasion. That's what I'm pointing out. If a country wanted to do something that was unjust, and we, as a leader of the world, wanted to stop it, the state run medias of that country could flip our favorable view of a country trying to keep peace in the world to a country that just wants to kill everyone. So people here in the U.S apologizing for the U.S being the U.S is pointless.

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    Re: State run medias vs. American apologist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not to "find acceptance from the world" but in the interest of peace, security and legitimacy. Russian news doesn't have to spin anything for Russian people to see the clarity of US/EU interference in Kiev. Russians didn't have to listen to Russian news spin anything to see that despite agreements not to, NATO has expanded eastward 11 times.


    NATO's Eastward Expansion: Did the West Break Its Promise to Moscow?

    By Uwe Klußmann, Matthias Schepp and Klaus Wiegrefe

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has accused the West of breaking promises made after the fall of the Iron Curtain, saying that NATO's expansion into Eastern Europe violated commitments made during the negotiations over German reunification. Newly discovered documents from Western archives support the Russian position.

    NATO's Eastward Expansion: Did the West Break Its Promise to Moscow? - SPIEGEL ONLINE
    There was no actual binding commitment, provide the treaty the US signed with Russia which forbade NATO expanding to the East, I'll be waiting with baited breath.

    Oh and again you people really need to learn the difference between NATO and an EU association agreement.

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    Re: State run medias vs. American apologist.

    Quote Originally Posted by chad1389 View Post
    How so? Disaster to who exactly? Those who were not chemically sprayed by Syria? Do they not wonder what could possibly happen to them next?
    I'm on a mobile and can't really reply in length. But the travers from a unipolar to a multi polar international security structure with the addition of proliferation creates a highly dangerous situation with the probability of nuclear war developing towards near certainty

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