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CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218, 239]

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Travis007 said:
Or maybe hes protecting through deterents and strong policy..

did Obama honor the missle pact with Poland?
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Nope, and overall the reaction of the Polish public was a positive one. The shield plan was only supported by 36% of the Polish people (from an opinion poll) and 50% was against it. And it was an idea from the Bush administration, not the Obama administration from what I understand from it.

And another missile plan came in the place of that pact.
 
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Travis007 said:
and growing quickly..or havent you noticed.. look at the under pinning of any jobs report.. full time jobs are slipping ..thats the draw of Obamacare..
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It's pretty close to the 2008 election. In fact more people were under 30k a year in the 2000 and 2004 election
 
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Travis007 said:
suffice to say GWB was much better President.. and that your liberal slant is very obvious..

Here in the USA we know Obama is a bonafide national disaster and not fit for office.. he never was..
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Neutral slant, and no, GWB was a disastrous president.

And if Obama was not fit for office, then the republicans should have put up a decent candidate. If Obama was such a disaster and not fit for office, what does that say about the dunces the republicans put forward?
 
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iliveonramen said:
Pretty much....only about 50% of the Democratic party is white so it makes it pretty difficult to push a racist agenda if you barely have a majority.
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Nt really. It is in the best interests of the NAACP and Al Sharpton to keep racism alive as a constant threat that only they can manage. They turn Americans against each other pretending they are the party of equality, and it perhaps the greatest scam since the sale of the Eiffel Tower.

I think it's a lot easier to only view things from the perspective of one race if your voter demographics are say...90% of one race like in the republican party
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The Republicans do not obsess with race because there are other more important needs in the country rather than those being manufactured by political opportunists. That's why they call illegal aliens 'undocumented Democrats'. We al know what that's about.
 
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US Conservative said:
The dems have pushed for race-based quotas and affirmative action when they are the epitome of a racist agenda.
They would say its for a good reason, but its racist nevertheless.
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They dont pretend to themselves that it's a good reason. LBJ knew what was behind it. ALLEN WEST: LBJ, "I
 
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Peter King said:
Well, that might be your opinion, a lot of Americans also think the same of the previous presidency, the big difference is that Obama seems to have chosen to not cater to the needs of the few but tries (even if he might sometimes fail) to work for the needs of the many. Also, Obama is the president who is tough on terror (ask Osama about that, ooh wait, nobody can ;)) and has been moving US troops out of harm's way in very dangerous situations that a lot of Americans feel they should not have been involved in in the first place.

He is also a president who at least tries to do what he promises. Of the over 500 promises he made in the 2 presidential campaigns he was involved in he was able to keep that promise in 45% of the promises made, he needed to compromise in 24%, he broke his promise in 22%, 1% has stalled, 7% are in the works.

He also promised health care reform and he succeeded, many people might not be happy but it is not possible to please everybody and he seems to be working at solving some of the bigger issues in the US (immigration and terrorism). But in the highly divisive US political culture it will be decades before any president can be seen through a neutral point of view and not through very biased republican or democratic goggles.
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This post is sooooo European. You need better sources.
 
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Grant said:
This post is sooooo European. You need better sources.
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Well, I am using American sources and I trust them.
 
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Grant said:
Nt really. It is in the best interests of the NAACP and Al Sharpton to keep racism alive as a constant threat that only they can manage. They turn Americans against each other pretending they are the party of equality, and it perhaps the greatest scam since the sale of the Eiffel Tower.
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Not really? So whites/Hispanics/Asians in the Democratic party are pushing for a black supremacy platform?

The Republicans do not obsess with race because there are other more important needs in the country rather than those being manufactured by political opportunists. That's why they call illegal aliens 'undocumented Democrats'. We al know what that's about.
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Republicans talk about race all the time. Race was mentioned in this thread by a conservative and of course as a conservative the only thing you've commented on in my and Travis' conversation is race. Republicans are obsessed with it.
 
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Peter King said:
Nope, and overall the reaction of the Polish public was a positive one. The shield plan was only supported by 36% of the Polish people (from an opinion poll) and 50% was against it. And it was an idea from the Bush administration, not the Obama administration from what I understand from it.

And another missile plan came in the place of that pact.
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Yes, another plan. And how's that coming along?

It's hard to believe how easily the Europeans are propagandized despite being victims of it for the past hundred years. Have you all learned nothing??

Obama abandons missile defence shield in Europe | US news | The Guardian
 
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iliveonramen said:
Not really? So whites/Hispanics/Asians in the Democratic party are pushing for a black supremacy platform?
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You're too obtuse.
 
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Grant said:
You're too obtuse.
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Not at all, you're just willing to throw bombs like saying that the Democratic party isn't about equality but at the same time understand how ridiculous you sound by saying that the Democratic party is about black supremacy. If you aren't for equality...then you want an unequal system, supremacy of one group over another.
 
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Travis007 said:
Oh it makes lots of sense... the anti semites are all in the Dem party today..
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As I said, repeating that nonsense doesn't make it true. This is not Never Never Land, where Tinkerbell dies if you don't clap harder. No amount of clapping is going to make that meme NOT complete BS.
 
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mike2810 said:
I have a different take on the OP quotes of:

"The nationwide poll, released Tuesday, shows 63% of Americans say it was a bad move for congressional leadership to extend the invitation without giving President Barack Obama a heads up that it was coming. Only 33% say it was the right thing to do."

The poll only says 63% say it was a bad move to invite without giving the President a heads up. It does not say it was bad move to invite Netanyahu to speak.

One needs to really look close at how poll questions are asked and how summaries are written.
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Let us not split hairs. Boehner and the Republicans dislike this president so much they would do anything to spite and humiliate President Obama. Netanyahu was glad to participate because there are strained relations between the Israeli PM and President Obama. Heck, not too many people like the current Israeli PM. The former French President Nicolas Sarkozy, called Netanyahu a liar and said he could not stand him....this was caught on a hot mike when the two presidents, Obama and Sarkozy, were talking privately at the G20 summit at Cannes. Netanyahu is running for reelection and will use any political stratagem there is to promote himself and screw the consequences. Discerning Americans see what is happening. Not all Americans are low-information voters.
 
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Atiya said:
It's called rules of Protocol. The PM's visit to the US congress is a rebuke to the President of the US and is attempting to undermine the US foreign policy which the Israeli leader doesn't like. It is a serious breach of protocol and John Boehner knows this along with the Israel PM who thinks he's safe because there is a barrier between the Republican Party and the Democrats headed by Obama.

Below is an article highlighting this breach of protocol by Boehner and Netanyahu. The Israeli leader knew full well what he was doing, but his actions said "screw Obama."

Benjamin Netanyahu addressing Congress: His willingness to play politics with U.S.-Israeli relations is revolting and dangerous.
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Puhleeze! Obama and demo's have killed protocol long ago....

"Yeah, again, it’s awfully late in the day to be complaining about hubris and comity inside Congress. The only reason Obama gets away with his far more hubristic encroachments on legislative power is because congressional Democrats are happy to back him up. For Pelosi’s caucus, partisan interests trump constitutional and institutional ones. Boehner deciding not to run an invite past her before announcing it is the mildest possible rebuke to that sort of betrayal. And that’s just the House: You know all about how Harry Reid locked Republicans out of the amendment process in the Senate, then turned around and blew up their filibuster for presidential appointees. There is no “protocol” after partisan aggression like that. I’m amazed Pelosi could suggest there is with a straight face.

Let’s hope the Netanyahu invitation is just the first of many, then. One minor but symbolic way that Boehner can strike back at Obama’s executive overreach is to invite various western leaders to speak whose own policies align more with Congress’s than the White House’s. First invitee, obviously, should be Stephen Harper to discuss the benefits of building the Keystone pipeline. Next invite goes to French prime minister Manuel Valls, who declared war on an enemy that our own leaders are now afraid to name. Third invite could go to Iraqi prime minister Haider al-Abadi, who’ll have an interesting view, I’ll bet, on whether Obama was right in the SOTU that we’re making gains against ISIS in Syria. If Boehner can’t stop Obama from blowing up separation of powers, he could at least invite foreign dignitaries to reality-check him.

Oh, incidentally, Obama’s refusing to meet with Netanyahu during his visit, ostensibly for the same reason Pelosi gave, i.e. that a presidential audience so soon before Israel’s elections might affect the outcome. Laying aside the fact that, as Noah says, being shunned by O is far more likely to help Netanyahu back home than doing a photo op with him would be, where did they get the idea that we don’t meddle in Israel’s elections? We do it all the time."

Democrats whine: Boehner broke with protocol by inviting Netanyahu without telling Obama first « Hot Air

As for Pelosi, and other demo's whining about this consider in 2007 when pelosi went to Syria against the wishes of the Bush administration....


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"Pelosi's visitor list may have been made in consultation with the White House, but in April 2007, she went to Syria for a meeting with Despot/ President Bashar al-Assad, ignoring the very public objections of the Bush Administration. Even worse, she attempted to negotiate for the U.S. without administration approval and she attempted to negotiate for Israel without the knowledge of then-Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

At the time of her visit, a Washington Post editorial blasted her:

After a meeting with Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad in Damascus, Ms. Pelosi announced that she had delivered a message from Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that "Israel was ready to engage in peace talks" with Syria. What's more, she added, Mr. Assad was ready to "resume the peace process" as well. Having announced this seeming diplomatic breakthrough, Ms. Pelosi suggested that her Kissingerian shuttle diplomacy was just getting started. "We expressed our interest in using our good offices in promoting peace between Israel and Syria," she said.

Only one problem: The Israeli prime minister entrusted Ms. Pelosi with no such message. "What was communicated to the U.S. House Speaker does not contain any change in the policies of Israel," said a statement quickly issued by the prime minister's office. In fact, Mr. Olmert told Ms. Pelosi that "a number of Senate and House members who recently visited Damascus received the impression that despite the declarations of Bashar Assad, there is no change in the position of his country regarding a possible peace process with Israel." In other words, Ms. Pelosi not only misrepresented Israel's position but was virtually alone in failing to discern that Mr. Assad's words were mere propaganda."

Pelosi (Who Visited Syria's Assad In 2007 Despite WH Objections) Blasts Boehner's Bibi Invite | Truth Revolt

Yeah, so forgive us if we just roll our eyes and laugh....
 
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Atiya said:
Let us not split hairs. Boehner and the Republicans dislike this president so much they would do anything to spite and humiliate President Obama. Netanyahu was glad to participate because there are strained relations between the Israeli PM and President Obama. Heck, not too many people like the current Israeli PM. The former French President Nicolas Sarkozy, called Netanyahu a liar and said he could not stand him....this was caught on a hot mike when the two presidents, Obama and Sarkozy, were talking privately at the G20 summit at Cannes. Netanyahu is running for reelection and will use any political stratagem there is to promote himself and screw the consequences. Discerning Americans see what is happening. Not all Americans are low-information voters.
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Yes, informed voters know what is going on in Washington.

Let me ask you this. Based on the quote. "The nationwide poll, released Tuesday, shows 63% of Americans say it was a bad move for congressional leadership to extend the invitation without giving President Barack Obama a heads up that it was coming. Only 33% say it was the right thing to do."

IF Boehner and Congress informed the President before extending the invention, would 63% of Americans still say it was a bad move to have the Israeli PM speak?
 
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Grant said:
Yes, another plan. And how's that coming along?

It's hard to believe how easily the Europeans are propagandized despite being victims of it for the past hundred years. Have you all learned nothing??

Obama abandons missile defence shield in Europe | US news | The Guardian
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I have learned a lot, Europe has learned a lot, nobody in Europe (or most in Europe) were not convinced of the need for a defense missile shield. And it is going fine thank you.
 
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Atiya said:
Let us not split hairs. Boehner and the Republicans dislike this president so much they would do anything to spite and humiliate President Obama. Netanyahu was glad to participate because there are strained relations between the Israeli PM and President Obama. Heck, not too many people like the current Israeli PM. The former French President Nicolas Sarkozy, called Netanyahu a liar and said he could not stand him....this was caught on a hot mike when the two presidents, Obama and Sarkozy, were talking privately at the G20 summit at Cannes. Netanyahu is running for reelection and will use any political stratagem there is to promote himself and screw the consequences. Discerning Americans see what is happening. Not all Americans are low-information voters.
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Oh nonsense.

EVERY President has to work with a oppositional Congress. Bush did, Clinton did, Reagan did. Clinton had to work with Newt Gingrich and got some positive things accomplished.

The difference between Obama and the rest is Obama is a ideologue, not a leader. This lame excuse that the GOP is being mean to him and stopping him from fixing our economy is just baseless. As far as the GOP Congress inviting Netanyahu, they have every right.

It's not their fault Obama is anti-Israel and dislikes Netanyahu. Obama supports Israel so much he publicly called for them to return to their 1967 border. Yea. how supportive.
 
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Kobie said:
As I said, repeating that nonsense doesn't make it true. This is not Never Never Land, where Tinkerbell dies if you don't clap harder. No amount of clapping is going to make that meme NOT complete BS.
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Kobie, you seem like you do a lot of clapping. Am I wrong?
 
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Fenton said:
It's not their fault Obama is anti-Israel and dislikes Netanyahu. Obama supports Israel so much he publicly called for them to return to their 1967 border. Yea. how supportive.
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I do not believe Obama to be anti-Israel. And Israel should return to the '67 borders, after all, two peoples have to live in that area. The way Israel keeps gobbling up occupied land which belong to the Palestinians leads one to seriously believe Israel does not want two states. The international community eventually will begin to impose sanctions on Israel: crimes against humanity and the continued stealing of Palestinian land; there will be nothing the US can do to stop this. You are against criticism of Israel and think they can do no wrong. I am at the opposite end of the spectrum in this perception.
 
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j-mac said:
Puhleeze! Obama and demo's have killed protocol long ago....
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I won't quote the whole thing, but that article misses the point entirely. No one actually cares that BOEHNER broke protocol. Who gives a crap - he's the GOP Speaker and part of his daily job description is throwing bricks at the POTUS.

The controversy is that Ambassador Dermer and Bibi went along with it.
 
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mike2810 said:
Yes, informed voters know what is going on in Washington.

Let me ask you this. Based on the quote. "The nationwide poll, released Tuesday, shows 63% of Americans say it was a bad move for congressional leadership to extend the invitation without giving President Barack Obama a heads up that it was coming. Only 33% say it was the right thing to do."

IF Boehner and Congress informed the President before extending the invention, would 63% of Americans still say it was a bad move to have the Israeli PM speak?
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Most likely yes. The PM's visit is seen as undermining the President's policy with Iran. Nothing is going to change by Netanyahu coming here for a reelection opt. The timing was and is all wrong. Cannot you comprehend this? It is insulting the president of the US by trying to make him look impotent in foreign policy. Netanyahu thinks he's smarter than Obama and his visit is designed to do just that. The last time the crook came to the US to speak to congress, he was running for election and used the footage from his speech to congress to run in his campaign ads to convince the Israeli people he was the right man who could deal with the US congress.
 
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Fenton said:
It's not their fault Obama is anti-Israel and dislikes Netanyahu. Obama supports Israel so much he publicly called for them to return to their 1967 border. Yea. how supportive.
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He didn't actually call for that - what he did was reiterate the decades long position of the U.S. through the H.W. Bush, Clinton, and W. Bush administrations.

CS Monitor explains
 
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Atiya said:
Most likely yes. The PM's visit is seen as undermining the President's policy with Iran. Nothing is going to change by Netanyahu coming here for a reelection opt. The timing was and is all wrong. Cannot you comprehend this? It is insulting the president of the US by trying to make him look impotent in foreign policy. Netanyahu thinks he's smarter than Obama and his visit is designed to do just that. The last time the crook came to the US to speak to congress, he was running for election and used the footage from his speech to congress to run in his campaign ads to convince the Israeli people he was the right man who could deal with the US congress.
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Yes I understand the politics.
imo, no one needs to show Obama is impotent is foreign policy. The President is very capable of doing it by himself.:mrgreen:
 
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