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CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218, 239]

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Yes, I'm a Liberal and proud of it.

Too bad. I pray that you may someday see the light.

You, however, are wrong in accusing me of being anti-Semitic.....I don't hate my own species.

I referred to B. Hussein Obama and other anti-Semitic leftists in public life, as well as to leftists generally. But it is you who are wrong. I did not accuse you or any other particular poster here of being anti-Semitic, nor would I ever. That would be uncivil and against the rules of this site.
 
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in the context of this thread... only Congress can levy sanctions... sanctions are levied by legislation, and we all know where the sole power to legislate resides.

this is civics 101 stuff.

I agree.
 
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Ive heard the same explanation from secular jews. :2wave:
You seem to think because US Jews are secular in politics and government that they don't have a religious cultural heritage taught to them at a very young age. Yet, you'd be hard pressed to find an American Jewish male in the US that hasn't been circumcised or had a bar mitzvah or doesn't celebrate Jewish religious holidays, especially if they have a family.

Only 27% say they are unaffiliated.....which means that 71% practice their religion according to their beliefs...which is almost exactly the number that voted for Obama. That would suggest that it's the unaffiliated secular Jews that didn't.


Q.4 How would you describe your Jewish denomination?

Total
Orthodox ................................................................................ 10
Conservative ........................................................................... 27
Reform ................................................................................... 32
Reconstructionist ...................................................................... 2
Unaffiliated ............................................................................. 27
Other ....................................................................................... 2
I'm not Jewish ........................................................................... -
(ref:JEWISHID)

The Jewish Vote in 2012


Jewish Americans overwhelmingly support a two state solution for Israel and that drives Bibi nuts. Iran barely registers on their radar....


Q.9 Below is a list of issues facing our country today. Please mark which TWO of these issues are the
most important for you in deciding your vote in the Presidential election between Barack Obama and Mitt
Romney.

Total
The economy .......................................................................... 53
Health care .............................................................................. 32
Social Security and Medicare ................................................... 23
The deficit and government spending ........................................ 20
Taxes ...................................................................................... 12
Israel ...................................................................................... 10
Abortion ................................................................................. 10
Terrorism and national security ................................................ 10
Education ................................................................................ 9
The environment ...................................................................... 5
Energy ..................................................................................... 4
Illegal immigration ................................................................... 4
Iran ......................................................................................... 2
(Other) ..................................................................................... 4​
(ref:ISSUES2012)


Jews have voted as democratic bloc (70%) since the early 1970s and that doesn't look likely to change anytime soon regardless of the scare tactics that Bibi and the GOP throw at them. It seems that most US Jews are by and large 'social democrats' to the core.
 
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You seem to think because US Jews are secular in politics and government that they don't have a religious cultural heritage taught to them at a very young age. Yet, you'd be hard pressed to find an American Jewish male in the US that hasn't been circumcised or had a bar mitzvah or doesn't celebrate Jewish religious holidays, especially if they have a family.

Only 27% say they are unaffiliated.....which means that 71% practice their religion according to their beliefs...which is almost exactly the number that voted for Obama. That would suggest that it's the unaffiliated secular Jews that didn't.


Q.4 How would you describe your Jewish denomination?

Total
Orthodox ................................................................................ 10
Conservative ........................................................................... 27
Reform ................................................................................... 32
Reconstructionist ...................................................................... 2
Unaffiliated ............................................................................. 27
Other ....................................................................................... 2
I'm not Jewish ........................................................................... -
(ref:JEWISHID)

The Jewish Vote in 2012


Jewish Americans overwhelmingly support a two state solution for Israel and that drives Bibi nuts. Iran barely registers on their radar....


Q.9 Below is a list of issues facing our country today. Please mark which TWO of these issues are the
most important for you in deciding your vote in the Presidential election between Barack Obama and Mitt
Romney.

Total
The economy .......................................................................... 53
Health care .............................................................................. 32
Social Security and Medicare ................................................... 23
The deficit and government spending ........................................ 20
Taxes ...................................................................................... 12
Israel ...................................................................................... 10
Abortion ................................................................................. 10
Terrorism and national security ................................................ 10
Education ................................................................................ 9
The environment ...................................................................... 5
Energy ..................................................................................... 4
Illegal immigration ................................................................... 4
Iran ......................................................................................... 2
(Other) ..................................................................................... 4​
(ref:ISSUES2012)


Jews have voted as democratic bloc (70%) since the early 1970s and that doesn't look likely to change anytime soon regardless of the scare tactics that Bibi and the GOP throw at them. It seems that most US Jews are by and large 'social democrats' to the core.

Since a very young age? Where did I say that? I said that secular Jews are more likely to be liberal and Im correct. Some findings...
8 fascinating trends in how American Jews think about Israel - The Washington Post
A Portrait of Jewish Americans | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project
The real reason why Jews are Liberals
How Liberalism Destroyed The American Jew | The Federalist
Rabbi Yoffie, Secular Jews and the Failure of Liberal Theological Imagination | Jacques Berlinerblau
Another Take On Why Jews Vote Democrat - Evan Sayet
 
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Most leftists are strongly anti-Semitic--B. Hussein Obama is a good example. They say it's Israel they don't like, to try to cover their animosity toward Jews in general.

Wonder if that includes the Jews themselves, the bulk of whom identify liberal.
 
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Wonder if that includes the Jews themselves, the bulk of whom identify liberal.

Some Jews willingly helped the Nazis, too. One of HAMAS' lawyers I used to hear singing that group's praises was a Jew. To paraphrase President Kennedy, "There's always some poor bastard who doesn't get the word." I've heard quite a few Jewish commentators express their amazement that any Jew could ever support a damned lying anti-Semite like B. Hussein Obama, who stabs Israel in the back every chance he gets.

Part of being a good leftist, like Obama's ex-PLO buddy Rashid Khalidi, is holding out the crying towel for the filthy Islamic jihadists in Gaza and the West Bank--even though these bastards will never agree to live in peace with Israel under any circumstances. They should thank their God that Israel is a civilized, tolerant nation, and not the satanic Zionist entity their propaganda claims. If it really were, it would long since have solved "the Palestinian problem" permanently--by killing them all.
 
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I didn't read them all, but most of your links seem to agree with my previous post that a majority of US Jews belong to a Jewish religious denomination (93% for older Jews and 68% for younger Jews - Pew poll) and that Israel is not at the top of their priorities...and they want a two state solution. Again, being secular in politics doesn't mean they don't practice their religious belief and culture.
 
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I didn't read them all, but most of your links seem to agree with my previous post that a majority of US Jews belong to a Jewish religious denomination (93% for older Jews and 68% for younger Jews - Pew poll) and that Israel is not at the top of their priorities...and they want a two state solution. Again, being secular in politics doesn't mean they don't practice their religious belief and culture.

I didn't say secular in politics, I said secular in general.
 
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I didn't say secular in politics, I said secular in general.

I said secular in politics....several times in fact. That's the point that you keep missing.
 
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In the context of this thread, the constitution gives the president the clear upper hand on foreign policy. And as such should be consulted before actions are taken. It's not a permission thing as much as a procedural thing. Who doesn't know that JB was giving Obama the gaff on this.

Aw Bull..This is a manufactured outrage in the first place....

"The story of Netanyahu’s perfidy grew to the extent that the New York Times reported, incorrectly, that Netanyahu accepted the invitation before the White House had been informed of it. The Times then issue the following correction. “An earlier version of this article misstated when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel accepted Speaker John A. Boehner’s invitation to address Congress. He accepted after the administration had been informed of the invitation, not before.”

This correction has circulated in conservative and pro-Israel circles, but doesn’t seem to have led to any followup, or any investigation by those who initially reported the opposite. Were senior White House aides exaggerating the story, or did the Times get caught up in its own anti-Netanyahu narrative? Or perhaps the Times was failing to distinguish between Netanyahu’s formal acceptance after the White House had been notified, and White House anger that the details of the visit had been worked out before notification to the White House, meaning that Netanyahu was planning to accept the invitation before the White House knew about it.

All this raises the issue of why the Obama Administration chose to turn this incident into a diplomatic brouhaha. On the one hand, a foreign leader planning a visit without prior coordination with the State Department is surely unusual. On the other hand, over at American Thinker, Ed Lasky notes that a visit like this is not exactly unprecedented: “In 2011, Boehner sent a notice to the WH stating his intention to invite Netanyahu to speak before a joint session of Congress. The White House never responded (spite? incompetence?) and Boehner proceeded to extend the invitation to Netanyahu. Netanyahu accepted the invitation and spoke. The White House did not express any outrage in 2011.” The invitation letter, meanwhile, said the invitation was “on behalf of the the bipartisan leadership of the US House and US Senate”, suggesting that the Israelis may have been misinformed regarding the extent to which the Democratic Congressional leadership was on board (and if they were on board, surely the White House would have known about it).

When informed of Boehner’s invitation, the White House publicly took a “wait and see” attitude, rather than announcing its opposition. According to Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer, once the White House knew about the invitation, the Israeli government (contra Cohen and others) was in contact with U.S. government officials, in both Washington and Jerusalem. It doesn’t appear that the White House conveyed to Netanyahu that the president expected him to decline the invitation.

So we have two different narratives here. The Israeli narrative is that Boehner, on behalf of a bipartisan Congress (as the Israelis claim they sincerely believed), invited Netanyahu to address a joint session of Congress. Netanyahu had done so before under similar circumstances, without White House objection. The invitation had been conveyed informally to Netanyahu weeks before it was publicly announced, and the Israelis figured, based on what Boehner himself told them, that it was Boehner’s job to decide when and how inform the White House that a formal invitation was pending. Once Boehner did so, Netanyahu having heard no objection from the White House beyond concern that the invitation had breached diplomatic protocol (which would seem to be primarily Boehner’s sin), went ahead and accepted it."

Did the Obama Administration lie about Netanyahu? (Updated and revised) - The Washington Post

It's a non story, one that the WH manufactured, and you fell right in line with the faux outrage....Congrats.
 
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Aw Bull..This is a manufactured outrage in the first place....

"The story of Netanyahu’s perfidy grew to the extent that the New York Times reported, incorrectly, that Netanyahu accepted the invitation before the White House had been informed of it. The Times then issue the following correction. “An earlier version of this article misstated when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel accepted Speaker John A. Boehner’s invitation to address Congress. He accepted after the administration had been informed of the invitation, not before.”

This correction has circulated in conservative and pro-Israel circles, but doesn’t seem to have led to any followup, or any investigation by those who initially reported the opposite. Were senior White House aides exaggerating the story, or did the Times get caught up in its own anti-Netanyahu narrative? Or perhaps the Times was failing to distinguish between Netanyahu’s formal acceptance after the White House had been notified, and White House anger that the details of the visit had been worked out before notification to the White House, meaning that Netanyahu was planning to accept the invitation before the White House knew about it.

All this raises the issue of why the Obama Administration chose to turn this incident into a diplomatic brouhaha. On the one hand, a foreign leader planning a visit without prior coordination with the State Department is surely unusual. On the other hand, over at American Thinker, Ed Lasky notes that a visit like this is not exactly unprecedented: “In 2011, Boehner sent a notice to the WH stating his intention to invite Netanyahu to speak before a joint session of Congress. The White House never responded (spite? incompetence?) and Boehner proceeded to extend the invitation to Netanyahu. Netanyahu accepted the invitation and spoke. The White House did not express any outrage in 2011.” The invitation letter, meanwhile, said the invitation was “on behalf of the the bipartisan leadership of the US House and US Senate”, suggesting that the Israelis may have been misinformed regarding the extent to which the Democratic Congressional leadership was on board (and if they were on board, surely the White House would have known about it).

When informed of Boehner’s invitation, the White House publicly took a “wait and see” attitude, rather than announcing its opposition. According to Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer, once the White House knew about the invitation, the Israeli government (contra Cohen and others) was in contact with U.S. government officials, in both Washington and Jerusalem. It doesn’t appear that the White House conveyed to Netanyahu that the president expected him to decline the invitation.

So we have two different narratives here. The Israeli narrative is that Boehner, on behalf of a bipartisan Congress (as the Israelis claim they sincerely believed), invited Netanyahu to address a joint session of Congress. Netanyahu had done so before under similar circumstances, without White House objection. The invitation had been conveyed informally to Netanyahu weeks before it was publicly announced, and the Israelis figured, based on what Boehner himself told them, that it was Boehner’s job to decide when and how inform the White House that a formal invitation was pending. Once Boehner did so, Netanyahu having heard no objection from the White House beyond concern that the invitation had breached diplomatic protocol (which would seem to be primarily Boehner’s sin), went ahead and accepted it."

Did the Obama Administration lie about Netanyahu? (Updated and revised) - The Washington Post

It's a non story, one that the WH manufactured, and you fell right in line with the faux outrage....Congrats.

From your link.

Even friends of Israel, like the Post’s Richard Cohen, were appalled. Cohen excoriated Netanyahu for accepting the Boehner’s invitation “without informing the White House,” a sign of Netanyahu’s “impetuousness and contempt” for President Obama.
 
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Most leftists are strongly anti-Semitic--B. Hussein Obama is a good example. They say it's Israel they don't like, to try to cover their animosity toward Jews in general.

Why, when Israel does wrong and continue to occupy Palestinian land, shoot the Palestinians as if they were vermin, with the settlers putting sugar in Palestinians' cars, destroy their citrus trees, you and your ilk become hypersensitive, calling critics anti-Semitic? The entire world is against the way Israel treats the Palestinians. If you expect me to send roses to the Palestinian government currently run by Bibi Netanyahu, hell will freeze over first.

The Israeli PM has no right whatsoever to insert himself into American politics; most Americans are against the political PM, Netanyahu, coming to this country to address our congress expressly dealing with a hot topic like Iran. President Obama is not going to allow Israel to dictate Israeli foreign policy during his administration and I applaud him!!!!. Now if a Republican president wins the Presidential office in 2016, then Israel can return to telling American presidents how to run foreign policy in the Middle East.
 
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Why, when Israel does wrong and continue to occupy Palestinian land, shoot the Palestiniansestinians as if they were vermin, with the settlers putting sugar in Palestinians' cars, destroy their citrus trees, you and your ilk become hypersensitive, calling critics anti-Semitic? The entire world is against the way Israel treats the Palestinians. If you expect me to send roses to the Palestinian government currently run by Bibi Netanyahu, hell will freeze over first.

The Israeli PM has no right whatsoever to insert himself into American politics; most Americans are against the political PM, Netanyahu, coming to this country to address our congress expressly dealing with a hot topic like Iran. President Obama is not going to allow Israel to dictate Israeli foreign policy during his administration and I applaud him!!!!. Now if a Republican president wins the Presidential office in 2016, then Israel can return to telling American presidents how to run foreign policy in the Middle East.

many people are against the PLO Hamas Charter...
are you facile on it?
 
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Why, when Israel does wrong and continue to occupy Palestinian land, shoot the Palestiniansestinians as if they were vermin, with the settlers putting sugar in Palestinians' cars, destroy their citrus trees, you and your ilk become hypersensitive, calling critics anti-Semitic? The entire world is against the way Israel treats the Palestinians. If you expect me to send roses to the Palestinian government currently run by Bibi Netanyahu, hell will freeze over first.

The Israeli PM has no right whatsoever to insert himself into American politics; most Americans are against the political PM, Netanyahu, coming to this country to address our congress expressly dealing with a hot topic like Iran. President Obama is not going to allow Israel to dictate Israeli foreign policy during his administration and I applaud him!!!!. Now if a Republican president wins the Presidential office in 2016, then Israel can return to telling American presidents how to run foreign policy in the Middle East.
Despite the misleading title of the thread, "CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite" we know there will always be misinformed leftists getting involved about the Jews stealing Palestinian land.They're pathetic.
 
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Why, when Israel does wrong
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I do not accept your premise. Israel has done nothing wrong.

and continue to occupy Palestinian land

There is no such thing as "Palestinian land." There is a region historically called Palestine. Most of its inhabitants traditionally have been Jews, although it is now largely Arab.

shoot the Palestinians as if they were vermin

There is no distinct nation whose people are "Palestinians." And every nation, including Israel, has the right to use force to defend its territory and its people. Vermin is an accurate description of Islamic jihadists, many of whom are operating in Gaza.

with the settlers putting sugar in Palestinians' cars

Which settler put sugar in whose car? Please give specific places and dates. Absent that, I assume you are just spreading propaganda.

destroy their citrus trees

If that happened, I'm sure there was a good reason for it. If jihadists were using a citrus orchard as cover from which to launch rockets at schoolyards in Israel, no one should be surprised if Israeli forces eliminate that cover.

you and your ilk become hypersensitive, calling critics anti-Semitic?

You and your ilk sound very much like you are trying to excuse violence by Islamic jihadist savages.

The entire world is against the way Israel treats the Palestinians.

I don't believe that is the case. And even if it were, I wouldn't give a damn. Death to any and all Palestinian Arabs who support Islamic jihadist violence, whether directed at Israel or any other nation.

If you expect me to send roses to the Palestinian government currently run by Bibi Netanyahu, hell will freeze over first.

What you send or don't send, to anyone, does not interest me.

The Israeli PM has no right whatsoever to insert himself into American politics

Prime Minister Netanyahu is doing no such thing. He is going to address Congress at the invitation of House Speaker Boehner.

most Americans are against the political PM, Netanyahu, coming to this country to address our congress expressly dealing with a hot topic like Iran.

I don't give two hoots in hell who is against it. I am strongly in favor of it, and I look forward to hearing him.

President Obama is not going to allow Israel to dictate Israeli foreign policy during his administration and I applaud him!!!!.

Good for you. B. Hussein Obama as a damned un-American liar who resents the United States and does not wish it well.

Now if a Republican president wins the Presidential office in 2016, then Israel can return to telling American presidents how to run foreign policy in the Middle East.

Israel can do whatever its government sees fit, whenever it sees fit to do it.
 
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From your link.

Even friends of Israel, like the Post’s Richard Cohen, were appalled. Cohen excoriated Netanyahu for accepting the Boehner’s invitation “without informing the White House,” a sign of Netanyahu’s “impetuousness and contempt” for President Obama.

Of course, that is before the article goes on to point out that that narrative pushed by the White House isn't actually true.
 
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Some Jews willingly helped the Nazis, too. One of HAMAS' lawyers I used to hear singing that group's praises was a Jew. To paraphrase President Kennedy, "There's always some poor bastard who doesn't get the word." I've heard quite a few Jewish commentators express their amazement that any Jew could ever support a damned lying anti-Semite like B. Hussein Obama, who stabs Israel in the back every chance he gets.

Part of being a good leftist, like Obama's ex-PLO buddy Rashid Khalidi, is holding out the crying towel for the filthy Islamic jihadists in Gaza and the West Bank--even though these bastards will never agree to live in peace with Israel under any circumstances. They should thank their God that Israel is a civilized, tolerant nation, and not the satanic Zionist entity their propaganda claims. If it really were, it would long since have solved "the Palestinian problem" permanently--by killing them all.



You are going to have to supply proof of that.
 
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Aw Bull..This is a manufactured outrage in the first place....

"The story of Netanyahu’s perfidy grew to the extent that the New York Times reported, incorrectly, that Netanyahu accepted the invitation before the White House had been informed of it. The Times then issue the following correction. “An earlier version of this article misstated when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel accepted Speaker John A. Boehner’s invitation to address Congress. He accepted after the administration had been informed of the invitation, not before.”

This correction has circulated in conservative and pro-Israel circles, but doesn’t seem to have led to any followup, or any investigation by those who initially reported the opposite. Were senior White House aides exaggerating the story, or did the Times get caught up in its own anti-Netanyahu narrative? Or perhaps the Times was failing to distinguish between Netanyahu’s formal acceptance after the White House had been notified, and White House anger that the details of the visit had been worked out before notification to the White House, meaning that Netanyahu was planning to accept the invitation before the White House knew about it.

All this raises the issue of why the Obama Administration chose to turn this incident into a diplomatic brouhaha. On the one hand, a foreign leader planning a visit without prior coordination with the State Department is surely unusual. On the other hand, over at American Thinker, Ed Lasky notes that a visit like this is not exactly unprecedented: “In 2011, Boehner sent a notice to the WH stating his intention to invite Netanyahu to speak before a joint session of Congress. The White House never responded (spite? incompetence?) and Boehner proceeded to extend the invitation to Netanyahu. Netanyahu accepted the invitation and spoke. The White House did not express any outrage in 2011.” The invitation letter, meanwhile, said the invitation was “on behalf of the the bipartisan leadership of the US House and US Senate”, suggesting that the Israelis may have been misinformed regarding the extent to which the Democratic Congressional leadership was on board (and if they were on board, surely the White House would have known about it).

When informed of Boehner’s invitation, the White House publicly took a “wait and see” attitude, rather than announcing its opposition. According to Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer, once the White House knew about the invitation, the Israeli government (contra Cohen and others) was in contact with U.S. government officials, in both Washington and Jerusalem. It doesn’t appear that the White House conveyed to Netanyahu that the president expected him to decline the invitation.

So we have two different narratives here. The Israeli narrative is that Boehner, on behalf of a bipartisan Congress (as the Israelis claim they sincerely believed), invited Netanyahu to address a joint session of Congress. Netanyahu had done so before under similar circumstances, without White House objection. The invitation had been conveyed informally to Netanyahu weeks before it was publicly announced, and the Israelis figured, based on what Boehner himself told them, that it was Boehner’s job to decide when and how inform the White House that a formal invitation was pending. Once Boehner did so, Netanyahu having heard no objection from the White House beyond concern that the invitation had breached diplomatic protocol (which would seem to be primarily Boehner’s sin), went ahead and accepted it."

Did the Obama Administration lie about Netanyahu? (Updated and revised) - The Washington Post

It's a non story, one that the WH manufactured, and you fell right in line with the faux outrage....Congrats.

That was before Netty spanked Obama over the 1967 borders issue.

It's an ego thing
 
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Of course, that is before the article goes on to point out that that narrative pushed by the White House isn't actually true.

Splitting hairs. From the Speaker's own timeline:

The process of inviting the Prime Minister was a coordinated effort between Speaker Boehner’s office and Senate Majority Leader McConnell’s office. Discussions began on the staff level late last year.

On January 8, Speaker Boehner called Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer to gauge the Prime Minister’s interest in an invitation – and we were informed that the Prime Minister was open in principle to an invitation. The Speaker made it clear that it was his prerogative to inform the White House. We then went about identifying potential dates for an address.

On the afternoon of January 20, the day of the State of the Union, we informed Ambassador Dermer of our intent to issue the invitation and our intent to notify the administration of the invitation. He accepted and acknowledged our intent to do so.

On the morning of January 21, after notifying the administration, the Speaker issued the invitation to the Prime Minister and announced it to the public.

- See more at: Background on Invitation to Prime Minister Netanyahu | Speaker.gov

So after weeks of negotiation between the Speaker and Israel, after all the details had been worked out and agreed to by the PM, but at least 1 minute before the official invitation was issued, then accepted, the WH was made aware of this already done deal.....

Boehner, and Dermer, and Netanyahu all knew exactly what they were doing - which was an intentional snub of the WH. The parties should at least be man enough to admit what's obvious to everyone.
 
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Yeah I really don't see why Congress thought it was appropriate to bring in the guy in the middle of an election. We should try to stay out of the democratic process of other nations as much as possible.

Yea, other than the fact that we have election people over there pandering for the other guy. But, hey. Lets stay out of it.
 
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You are going to have to supply proof of that.

I thought it was pretty well known. There was a great deal of collaboration in various places. Thousands of men who were at least part Jewish even served in the Third Reich's military, as this book documents:

Hitler's Jewish Soldiers
 
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Yea, other than the fact that we have election people over there pandering for the other guy. But, hey. Lets stay out of it.

Who are these "election people?" Consultants and the like?
 
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I thought it was pretty well known. There was a great deal of collaboration in various places. Thousands of men who were at least part Jewish even served in the Third Reich's military, as this book documents:

Hitler's Jewish Soldiers

Right


A book by a nobody..

People believe what they want to believe

and an ad for a book of questionable pedigree is the furthest thing from proof imaginable.


Now I know not to believe you
 
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Right, but the "we should stay out of elections" advice is meant to apply to sitting U.S. elected or appointed officials - representatives of the U.S. government - not private campaign consultants, lobbyists, op-ed writers, etc. Apples and giraffes...
 
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