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CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218, 239]

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Grant said:
Muslims slaughtering and raping across the Middle east and it's the Jews who get called "rat bastards". No shame here at all.
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I wasn't speaking to them at that moment. But as you well know, when I do, they're miscreants, freaks and vermin.
 
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JasperL said:
Okee dokee. Weekly Standard got it all wrong.... I see.
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Apparently.

You don't trust Weekly Standard? If you think Daniel Harper made up talking points he said were supplied to him by Boehner, and put quotes around them, that's a pretty serious allegation.
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I don't trust ANY news source. Nobody should. If their story revolves entirely around a source they don't produce then they are distributing hearsay. It might be interesting to contemplate as a possibility, but it isn't verified truth.


I'm going to quit after this post. It's obvious to everyone that at least Boehner was intentionally snubbing Obama, and was proud of that - it was red meat to his base, they love that crap. If you want to say the Ambassador and the PM were innocent victims, fine. I don't believe for one moment Boehner sprung this on them by surprise because I don't believe the Israeli ambassador to the U.S. is stupid or incompetent and didn't at some point say, "Hey John, talked to the WH yet? No? Hey man, that's gotta happen like yesterday - get it done or I will" etc.
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If you listen to hearsay I can see where you would get that impression. That you take the hearsay as gospel is your own hang-up.



Please, I'm not THAT gullible. Once the official invitation was issued, with almost no advance notice, Obama's hands were tied. If he objected, Obama gets criticized for that because at that point he's UNinviting Netanyahu. I could write the headlines. And Obama has no authority to prevent the speech anyway. The deal was done with the public invitation and everyone knew it.
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The ONLY agreed on details of this exchange is the order in which they were done. The White House conveniently left out the part about the Israeli Ambassador calling to pass the invite by the White House. But then they would have to leave that out in order to make their tantrum reasonable for the gullible dopes that still give this lying sack of excrement White House the benefit of the doubt.
 
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Montecresto said:
I won't disagree with you that this White House has been uncooperative with Israel, (well, that's my words not yours) but I'm delighted, and Obama hasn't been strict enough with those rat bastards. I hope our next democratic president cuts off the check, do you hear that?
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Do you recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization?
 
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j-mac said:
Do you recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization?
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He's drunk the White House Kool Aid. He probably considers Hamas "largely secular".
 
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j-mac said:
Do you recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization?
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Of course, and Hezbollah, and MEK, and Al Qaeda, and Mossad, and al Nusra, and MB, and CIA.............yes, I can recognize terrorists.
 
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jmotivator said:
He's drunk the White House Kool Aid. He probably considers Hamas "largely secular".
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That's the WH's position??
 
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jmotivator said:
Actually that was the WH position on the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Ok, I thought he asked me about Hamas. But yes, I agree with you that Obama supported the MB in Egypt and the overthrow of Mubarak. Something I've been hugely critical of as you well know. Your attempts to paint me a lefty, democratic supporter etc., are a failure.
 
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Montecresto said:
Ok, I thought he asked me about Hamas. But yes, I agree with you that Obama supported the MB in Egypt and the overthrow of Mubarak. Something I've been hugely critical of as you well know. Your attempts to paint me a lefty, democratic supporter etc., are a failure.
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Yes, I was making a joke about the abject ineptitude of the WH that you seem to align with.

Meanwhile the WH obviously doesn't think Hamas is a terrorist organization as it plans to start funding them.
 
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jmotivator said:
Yes, I was making a joke about the abject ineptitude of the WH that you seem to align with.

Meanwhile the WH obviously doesn't think Hamas is a terrorist organization as it plans to start funding them.
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Which I am obviously against! So how exactly am I inline with the WH. And having opposed the WH's support of the MB in Egypt, how am I inline with the WH?
 
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Montecresto said:
Which I am obviously against! So how exactly am I inline with the WH. And having opposed the WH's support of the MB in Egypt, how am I inline with the WH?
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You are not "obviously against". You are first and foremost a hater of Israel, so in that you are in line with our idiotic administration and it taints every opinion you have in the region.
 
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jmotivator said:
You are not "obviously against". You are first and foremost a hater of Israel, so in that you are in line with our idiotic administration and it taints every opinion you have in the region.
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Wrong again j. I do hate the Jewish States oppression of the Palestinians. Do you think that David Cameron hates Israel because he has criticized their treatment of the Palestinians?
 
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Montecresto said:
Wrong again j. I do hate the Jewish States oppression of the Palestinians. Do you think that David Cameron hates Israel because he has criticized their treatment of the Palestinians?
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Yeah, because I hear so little complaint about the real oppressors of "Palestinians": Other "Palestinians".

You have to ignore a mountain abuse and terror by Palestinians ON Palestinians before you can see Israel as the source of Palestinian woes.
 
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jmotivator said:
Yeah, because I hear so little complaint about the real oppressors of "Palestinians": Other "Palestinians".

You have to ignore a mountain abuse and terror by Palestinians ON Palestinians before you can see Israel as the source of Palestinian woes.
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Lol. I'm in company with David Cameron, ok j.
 
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jmotivator said:
Apparently.
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Because they went with an angle every sentient human understands was the original intent of going around the WH? Makes sense....

I don't trust ANY news source. Nobody should. If their story revolves entirely around a source they don't produce then they are distributing hearsay. It might be interesting to contemplate as a possibility, but it isn't verified truth.
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The source was clearly identified as Boehner. The quotes around the words tell you this. Boehner's office distributed the talking points and the official statement.

If you listen to hearsay I can see where you would get that impression. That you take the hearsay as gospel is your own hang-up.
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That you can't accept direct quotes from Boehner as direct quotes tells me how far you'll go to deny the obvious. Do your own Google search - the "hell no" section will work fine. That statement was made widely available to the press. The Guardian even quoted from it.

The ONLY agreed on details of this exchange is the order in which they were done. The White House conveniently left out the part about the Israeli Ambassador calling to pass the invite by the White House. But then they would have to leave that out in order to make their tantrum reasonable for the gullible dopes that still give this lying sack of excrement White House the benefit of the doubt.
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What you're missing is EVERYONE recognizes that if the speaker (and Amb.) weren't snubbing the WH that the call to "pass the invite by the WH" would have happened at least days, maybe weeks before it was made public. Instead, the WH got the 'heads up' sometime in the morning, before 9:30am.

I don't even really care that Boehner and the Ambassador snubbed Obama. What's incredible and insulting is now that it's become a problem for Netanyahu the parties are too cowardly to own their own actions and are asking us to believe that pee is rain falling.
 
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Montecresto said:
Lol. I'm in company with David Cameron, ok j.
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So are you saying that you hate Israel more than David Cameron?
 
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Montecresto said:
I wasn't speaking to them at that moment. But as you well know, when I do, they're miscreants, freaks and vermin.
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It's never far from the surface.
 
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jmotivator said:
So are you saying that you hate Israel more than David Cameron?
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I told you what I hate. Oppression, and a US policy of supporting it. You may think that David Cameron's view of Israel's oppression of Palestinians means he hates Israel, but he'd probably laugh at you just as I am.
 
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jmotivator said:
Yes, I was making a joke about the abject ineptitude of the WH that you seem to align with. Meanwhile the WH obviously doesn't think Hamas is a terrorist organization as it plans to start funding them.
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If I were President of the United States and wanted to support Islamic supremacy I would, while visiting Muslims nations, be critical of US Foreign policy and their history, vow to close Gitmo, work against the advice of military advisers and withdraw troops from the Middle East, remove the leadership from several ME countries to create chaos, separate America from its traditional allies, support the Muslim Brotherhood and call it an "Arab Spring", release terrorist prisoners from Gitmo, downplay an Islamic group establishing a caliphate, have no serious response to the security of military personnel and support groups like Hamas.
 
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JasperL said:
Because they went with an angle every sentient human understands was the original intent of going around the WH? Makes sense....
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So by "going around the White House you mean notifying the White House and asking if there were any objections? Makes sense...

The source was clearly identified as Boehner. The quotes around the words tell you this. Boehner's office distributed the talking points and the official statement.
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Nope, the SUBJECT was clearly defined as Boehner. If the assertion is that a never distributed DRAFT contained the verbiage in the given context then present the document. If they didn't pull that information from the actual document but rather from a source claiming to have read the document then they are distributing hearsay.

That you can't accept direct quotes from Boehner as direct quotes tells me how far you'll go to deny the obvious. Do your own Google search - the "hell no" section will work fine. That statement was made widely available to the press. The Guardian even quoted from it.
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I don't accept unverified quotes of an supposedly unpublished draft as a "direct quote", no.


What you're missing is EVERYONE recognizes that if the speaker (and Amb.) weren't snubbing the WH that the call to "pass the invite by the WH" would have happened at least days, maybe weeks before it was made public. Instead, the WH got the 'heads up' sometime in the morning, before 9:30am.
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And when did the Israeli Ambassador contact the White House? And when did the Ambassador accept the invitation? Do you honestly think this White House is so utterly inept that it can't formulate an opinion of the visit the same day they were notified? What the hell do you think the WH needs to do to prepare an opinion? Does the Weekly Standard article is based on the news that the invite had been made by Boehner, not that it had been accepted by the Ambassador. Again, that Ambassador communication with the WH is conveniently missing from the WS article and the WH poutrage hissy fit. Based on the fact that the WS left that out of their story I assume the official acceptance came some time after 9:30am.

I don't even really care that Boehner and the Ambassador snubbed Obama. What's incredible and insulting is now that it's become a problem for Netanyahu the parties are too cowardly to own their own actions and are asking us to believe that pee is rain falling.
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What is appalling is that Obamanites are trying to turn this into an international incident based on the incomplete timeline that the WH is pushing.
 
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Grant said:
If I were President of the United States and wanted to support Islamic supremacy I would, while visiting Muslims nations, be critical of US Foreign policy and their history, vow to close Gitmo, work against the advice of military advisers and withdraw troops from the Middle East, remove the leadership from several ME countries to create chaos, separate America from its traditional allies, support the Muslim Brotherhood and call it an "Arab Spring", release terrorist prisoners from Gitmo, downplay an Islamic group establishing a caliphate, have no serious response to the security of military personnel and support groups like Hamas.
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It's a tribute to the policy of previous administrations that they were able to literally idiot-proof Egypt from Obama's stupidity.
 
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jmotivator said:
So by "going around the White House you mean notifying the White House and asking if there were any objections? Makes sense...
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You're working hard to convince me that pee is rain, I'll give you that.

The protocol to inviting a head of state to the U.S. involves working with the WH at a minimum, and normally the invitation would be head of state to head of state. It's fine that Boehner invited Bibi, but the process intentionally cut the WH out of the process, and they only notified the WH a few minutes before the official invitation was issued. That was intentional, a deliberate poke at Obama. Weekly Standard correctly labeled it at that time.

Nope, the SUBJECT was clearly defined as Boehner. If the assertion is that a never distributed DRAFT contained the verbiage in the given context then present the document. If they didn't pull that information from the actual document but rather from a source claiming to have read the document then they are distributing hearsay.
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Goodness, here's Politico with the same text: John Boehner?s Bibi invite sets up showdown with White House - Jake Sherman - POLITICO

Here's an AP version published by someone else: John Boehner invites Israeli leader to address Congress on Iran | Daily Chronicle

Another story: Daily Kickoff: Boehner invites Bibi to speak to Congress on Iran on Feb 11th | Blinken & Cohen testifying now on Iran | Moline to Interfaith Alliance | Jewish Insider

Gosh, it's almost like Boehner had some talking points and distributed them to media outlets!!! Imagine that..... You're really digging a hole - might quit digging.

I don't accept unverified quotes of an supposedly unpublished draft as a "direct quote", no.
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OK, but why would an outlet friendly to Netanyahu, and Boehner make this stuff up? They didn't - they clearly were given a heads up by Boehner to get an approved message out to their allies. You're pretending that they'd intentionally undermine both the PM and Boehner - it's literally unbelievable that Weekly Standard would do that.

And when did the Israeli Ambassador contact the White House? And when did the Ambassador accept the invitation? Do you honestly think this White House is so utterly inept that it can't formulate an opinion of the visit the same day they were notified? What the hell do you think the WH needs to do to prepare an opinion? Does the Weekly Standard article is based on the news that the invite had been made by Boehner, not that it had been accepted by the Ambassador. Again, that Ambassador communication with the WH is conveniently missing from the WS article and the WH poutrage hissy fit. Based on the fact that the WS left that out of their story I assume the official acceptance came some time after 9:30am.
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We've been over it. The process intentionally cut the WH out of the loop. It's fine, but they can't go back and redo history to pretend that they worked with the WH. They didn't.
 
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JasperL said:
We've been over it. The process intentionally cut the WH out of the loop. It's fine, but they can't go back and redo history to pretend that they worked with the WH. They didn't.
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As you say, it doesn't matter because this isn't about Barrack Obama.

It's far more important that the US maintains close ties with its allies than involve a petulant BHO in conversations with someone who he clearly dislikes. Obama will be gone in a couple of years, thankfully, but the problems in the ME will remain. That's why the WH, for the next while, can safely be ignored.
 
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Grant said:
As you say, it doesn't matter because this isn't about Barrack Obama.

It's far more important that the US maintains close ties with its allies than involve a petulant BHO in conversations with someone who he clearly dislikes. Obama will be gone in a couple of years, thankfully, but the problems in the ME will remain. That's why the WH, for the next while, can safely be ignored.
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I think the feeling is mutual, and what's sort of amazing is Bibi is the beggar in the relationship and somehow believes the roles are reversed, and he has the authority to dictate terms to the U.S. and more specifically the WH.
 
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Montecresto said:
Wrong again j. I do hate the Jewish States oppression of the Palestinians. Do you think that David Cameron hates Israel because he has criticized their treatment of the Palestinians?
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did the palestinians ( who ever that really is as there has never been such a country) did they VOTE in Hamas?
 
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