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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Obama's problem is that he is such a narcissist that he does not think rank and file Americans are smart enough to work out that the deal Kerry is offering Iran amounts to little more the Obama telling the Iranians: Yes...you can have nukes...you just have to wait until eight years after I leave office to let the world know you have them."
    Obama has already expressed his contempt for his supporters and yet they re-elected him. Of course, like Gruber, he understands he will always get their support because they are so desperate to believe.

    He and his inner circle understand that you really can fool some of the people all of the time.

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    ISRAELI EX MOSSAD CHIEF VS NETANYAHU


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    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
    Netanyahu's Circus seemed to backfire in spite of his trotting out Eli Weasel instead of his dog eared "Acme Bomb" Cartoon.
    Nancy Pelosi cited Netanyahu as "Insulting" Americans as he offered no alternatives to negotiations except bombing.

    The only tangible result was more American opposition to Netanyahu & a 5% jump in the polls for Obama at this point.



    “Americans Rally Around The President As Obama Approval Jumps 5 Points Thanks To Netanyahu”
    Americans Rally Around The President As Obama Approval Jumps 5 Points Thanks To Netanyahu
    EXCERPT “Since Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu arrived in the U.S., President Obama’s approval rating has increased by 5 points in the Gallup poll.”CONTINUED

    Nancy Pelosi is a geriatric bimbo. And only wishful thinking liberals take a gallup poll seriously barely past a day after Bibi's speech to congress.
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    Slander & negative generalizations about "Liberals" seem to be the only messages you have to convey.

    Both are signs of desperation from simply being mistaken.

    I humbly submit that Israel's Mossad ex-Chief is far more knowledgable and honest about Iran's nuclear capability than you, Netanyahu and War Mongering Ziono-Cons

    For Example:


    “Anti-Netanyahu Protest Fills Streets Of Tel Aviv As Ex-Mossad Chief Calls His Congress Speech "Bull****"
    Anti-Netanyahu Protest Fills Streets Of Tel Aviv As Ex-Mossad Chief Calls His Congress Speech Bull**** - One News Page

    EXCERPT “Meir Dagan, a former Mossad director, strongly disagreed with many of Netanyahu’s assertions, stating that "Iranian missiles will never be able to hit the United States," and that comments that Iran could producer nuclear weapons within a year were "bull****."
    .....it's not just just Dagan that is disappointed, a large protest against him erupted in the nation’s section largest city, Tel Aviv.

    It appears “Bibi” is far more popular with crazy American neocons than he is with his own fellow citizens.” CONTINUED




    What do you propose as a sane solution other than negotiations with Iran?

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Slander & negative generalizations about "Liberals" seem to be the only messages you have to convey.
    And usually for good reason. For example, you are quoting the EX-Chief of Mossad who has been out of office for four years, not the current Mossad Chief who certainly knows more than his predecessor and you.

    Now you might see why liberals don't garner much respect in the real world, with Obama being a good example of that.

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
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    Resisting Netanyahu’s obsession with starting WW 3 is hardly “helping Iran with its nuclear program” especially with draconian sanctions already in place.

    Are you that eager to see thousands of American G.I.s & millions of innocent, Regional citizens die in a cataclysmic confrontation for your TV viewing entertainment?

    Name one specific way in which Obama is aiding Iran develop a nuclear weapon.

    "One of the most horrible features of war is that all the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are NOT fighting."
    George Orwell, 1938
    We are paying them billions of dollars just to talk to us.

    The Iran deal makes clear it pays to enrich - The Washington Post

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    REAL COST OF AID TO ISRAEL

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    We are paying them billions of dollars just to talk to us.

    The Iran deal makes clear it pays to enrich - The Washington Post
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    The WP Blog you cited contradicts the $Billions that draconian US sanctions have cost Iran


    We've given Israel $Trillions to attack us, spy on us, sell our secrets to the highest bidder & snub our requests Re: Illegal Settlements



    “The Real Cost Of US Support For Israel – $3*Trillion”
    https://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/20...el-3-trillion/
    EXCERPT “ While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg.

    There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars.

    “The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion” is a summary of economic research done by Thomas R. Stauffer.

    Stauffer is a Washington, D.C.-based engineer and economist who writes and teaches about the economics of energy and the Middle East.

    Stauffer has taught at Harvard University and Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service.
    ” CONTINUED




    HOWEVER:

    The Topic here has to do with opposition to Netanyahu's blatant falsehoods to provoke another War for Israel's Right Wing extremists.

    Both American & Israeli Military & Intelligence Experts have exposed Netanyahu's assertions as deceptive falsehoods while loyal Americans oppose the undeniable disaster Netanyahu's War Mongering will cause for all in the region (incl. U.S. Troops)


    Iran has Worldwide support against the egregious nuclear double standard exemplified by US - Israeli Nuclear policy.


    What do you propose as an alternative to an even handed Policy reached by negotiations?

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    ANOTHER SLICE OF YELLOWCAKE


    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And usually for good reason. For example, you are quoting the EX-Chief of Mossad who has been out of office for four years, not the current Mossad Chief who certainly knows more than his predecessor and you.

    Now you might see why liberals don't garner much respect in the real world, with Obama being a good example of that.
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    You’re not going to know what Israel’s current Mossad chief really thinks as he is a political appointee & can just easily be “unappointed” if he contradicts his bosses The ex-Mossad chief knows as much about Iran's nuclear inclinations as anyone.

    Both US & Israeli Military & Intelligence experts have strongly denounced the contents of Netanyahu’s speech as “replete with falsehoods” & oppose military actions.

    Again, the Topic has to do with Netanyahu's credibility which is zilch among informed individuals.

    Netanyahu, the U.S. & Israel’s myopic, Ziono-Con War Mongers have been trying to drag the US into another Regional, lie-based war for decades (see “A Clean Break;...”, P.N.A.C. & “Oded Yinon Plan”)
    It is in America’s best interests to get out of the Region & stop creating enemies via “Collateral Damage”, egregious double standards & Occupation.

    For over 200 years, Central Asia has been called “The Place Where Empires Go To Die” & “The Poison Chalice” by previous fallen superpowers.

    As always, those most eager for War are the last ones to fight it.




    "One of the most horrible features of war is that all the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are NOT fighting."
    George Orwell, 1938


    “ It appears “Bibi” is far more popular with crazy American neocons than he is with his own fellow citizens.”
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
    REAL COST OF AID TO ISRAEL


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    The WP Blog you cited contradicts the $Billions that draconian US sanctions have cost Iran


    We've given Israel $Trillions to attack us, spy on us, sell our secrets to the highest bidder & snub our requests Re: Illegal Settlements



    “The Real Cost Of US Support For Israel – $3*Trillion”
    https://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/20...el-3-trillion/
    EXCERPT “ While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3 billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government, this figure is just the tip of the iceberg.

    There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars.

    “The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion” is a summary of economic research done by Thomas R. Stauffer.

    Stauffer is a Washington, D.C.-based engineer and economist who writes and teaches about the economics of energy and the Middle East.

    Stauffer has taught at Harvard University and Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service.
    ” CONTINUED




    HOWEVER:

    The Topic here has to do with opposition to Netanyahu's blatant falsehoods to provoke another War for Israel's Right Wing extremists.

    Both American & Israeli Military & Intelligence Experts have exposed Netanyahu's assertions as deceptive falsehoods while loyal Americans oppose the undeniable disaster Netanyahu's War Mongering will cause for all in the region (incl. U.S. Troops)


    Iran has Worldwide support against the egregious nuclear double standard exemplified by US - Israeli Nuclear policy.


    What do you propose as an alternative to an even handed Policy reached by negotiations?
    Good Lord, what a bunch of bullsh.

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Get off your partisan high horse and pay attention to what the Obama admin is proposing. It amounts to little more then a ten year freeze in uranium enrichment with what's left of the sanctions gradually disappearing by the end of that ten years. At best it's a ten year delay on Iran getting nukes, with no incentive for Iran to halt their quest for nukes afterward. And that's only if Iran does not cheat on the agreement. We know how that worked out with North Korea. The whole Bibi speech is nothing but a "Bibi dissed Obama" thang to you, huh? If Iran gets nukes, there will be a nuclear arms race in the middle east....and all you are worried about is whether Obama is politically damaged politically in his last two years in office?
    Strike a deal and you get 10 years of not having to worry about it. Don't strike a deal you have your arms race much earlier than that. You guys are pathetic in your inability to think due to ODS clouding every parsed word coming out of your mouths.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    "WE?' NEED ANOTHER SLICE OF YELLOWCAKE




    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Big big yawn.



    Bigger yawn.





    It's Obama that does not have the balls. You know it and I know it.



    There were sanctions in place that was slowly bankrupting Iran.....which is why they are negotiating to begin with. Many of those sanctions were suspended for the sake of the negotiations. Bad move.





    If we do not stop Iran from getting nukes "NOW", A ground invasion will come later, whether we like it or not. As for what we could do now......tightening the noose on sanctions can't hurt. If it comes to military options....I don't agree that it can only be done with a full onslaught ground invasion. Bunker buster bombs can take out the nuke sites if properly targeted and taking out their oil fields would cut off their means to continue down the nuke road. They would eventually get the point. I hope sanctions can work...however the alternative is: "Whatever it takes!" Otherwise 50 to 100 years into the future, the adults will be asking:"Why didn't they stop the Iranians from getting nukes when they could have?!



    The real political theater is Obama sending Kerry over to negotiate with Iran for the sake a a deal....any deal on paper that he can point to in his so-called legacy claiming that he dealt with Iran's nuke program. Carter did the same in regards to North Korea. They were cheating on the deal before the ink on the signed agreement was dry....and they now have nukes. You don't think Iran will do the same? Obama is doing the political theater. Bibi is acting for the sake of Israel's survival. If Kerry gets a deal with Iran.....it could happen any day, weeks, or months. Bibi should not be expected to wait out the elections before acting.
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    Who is this "we" so frequently mentioned when it comes to creating another bloody, toxic Hell Hole far, far, far away?


    "If we do not stop Iran from getting nukes...."

    And, then "we" might need a ground invasion,......... I mean ANOTHER ground invasion while "we" feed someone else's child into the Martial Meatgrinder


    You can be sure that the "we" who is fervently cheerleading a possible WW 3 is going to be comfortably seated, watching TV far, far from the fight while some one else's "we" is being burned, mutilated, traumatized & mangled for life.


    What "we" really need to do is to visit one of those underfunded V.A. hospitals and donate some time around the smell of burned human tissue volunteering to help the 20 year old amputees that "we" so eagerly sent into the last bogus war looking for WMDs & Yellowcake.









    "One of the most horrible features of war is that all the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are NOT fighting."
    George Orwell, 1938

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Strike a deal and you get 10 years of not having to worry about it.
    That's really looking ahead.

    This is yet another example of why liberals cannot be trusted to look after the future - either through educating their children, managing debts and expenses, or securing the safety of their country.

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