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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I tell you, it was great seeing Bibi up there, speaking like a strong, decisive leader. Something that has been sorely lacking in Washington for the last several years.

    Then, Obama, with his petty, childish little response, just making himself look even more inept. Oh, wait until you see what my deal with Iran will do! What a total jerk. Obama was pissed because Netanyahu, without even trying, just exposed Obama as an inferior president that just gets pushed around by our enemies. He doesn't have the balls to handle the office he's in.
    Obama's problem is that he is such a narcissist that he does not think rank and file Americans are smart enough to work out that the deal Kerry is offering Iran amounts to little more the Obama telling the Iranians: Yes...you can have nukes...you just have to wait until eight years after I leave office to let the world know you have them."

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    It's the left wingers who are getting all hot,bothered, and partisan over the Bibi speech. We do not see it as a partisan political speech. We just recognize that Bibi is right in regards to Iran and the utter stupidity of the deal that the Obama and Kerry are pushing. If it goes through, you can expect a nuclear arms race in the middle east within 10 years.
    Moar lie based fear from the right. Why would there be an arms race if there is a deal struck where they don't make nuclear arms. You are making no sense whatsoever. Just like Bibi.
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Atiya View Post
    I think the hoopla surrounding the Netanyahu visit was distinctly exaggerated. AIPAC and the Boehner ilk realize the visit was ill-advised and there was much criticism in the media along with a number of Congress people deliberately avoiding the speech. Their hyped up excitement for Netanyahu was done to try and overshadow this embarrassing and tactless move by both John Boehner and the scheming unscrupulous Bibi Netanyahu.
    Exactly. It was done for three things.

    1) Bibi did it to make it a campaign ad for his election
    2) Boehner did it for the repubs to suck up for AIPAC money
    3) Repubs did it to rally their base by being disrespectful to the president... their favorite past time these days.

    I recall back during Bush's rush to war in Iraq that saying anything that disagreed with that view you were an unpatriotic treasonist. I could just imagine the Dems inviting the French prime minister back then to speak in front of congress without approaching Bush about it first... the outrage would've been deafening. As all republican outrage seems to always be.
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Exactly. It was done for three things.

    1) Bibi did it to make it a campaign ad for his election
    2) Boehner did it for the repubs to suck up for AIPAC money
    3) Repubs did it to rally their base by being disrespectful to the president... their favorite past time these days.

    I recall back during Bush's rush to war in Iraq that saying anything that disagreed with that view you were an unpatriotic treasonist. I could just imagine the Dems inviting the French prime minister back then to speak in front of congress without approaching Bush about it first... the outrage would've been deafening. As all republican outrage seems to always be.
    Have you been called an unpatriotic treasonist very often? I've never heard the term before.

    And with all this going on your concern is 'disrespect' for Barrack Obama, the guy you believed when he said, "If you like your plan you can keep your plan"? This is a devotion seldom seen in politics anymore and would be admirable if it didn't suggest some serious side issues.

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    He read the transcript!!!LOL!
    What a baby. Of course he watched it. He said he just skimmed through it or something, then goes into detail of what he thought about it. Huh? He just takes us all, especially his backers, for idiots. After all, that's how he got elected.
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Moar lie based fear from the right. Why would there be an arms race if there is a deal struck where they don't make nuclear arms. You are making no sense whatsoever. Just like Bibi.
    Get off your partisan high horse and pay attention to what the Obama admin is proposing. It amounts to little more then a ten year freeze in uranium enrichment with what's left of the sanctions gradually disappearing by the end of that ten years. At best it's a ten year delay on Iran getting nukes, with no incentive for Iran to halt their quest for nukes afterward. And that's only if Iran does not cheat on the agreement. We know how that worked out with North Korea. The whole Bibi speech is nothing but a "Bibi dissed Obama" thang to you, huh? If Iran gets nukes, there will be a nuclear arms race in the middle east....and all you are worried about is whether Obama is politically damaged politically in his last two years in office?

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Get off your partisan high horse and pay attention to what the Obama admin is proposing. It amounts to little more then a ten year freeze in uranium enrichment with what's left of the sanctions gradually disappearing by the end of that ten years. At best it's a ten year delay on Iran getting nukes, with no incentive for Iran to halt their quest for nukes afterward. And that's only if Iran does not cheat on the agreement. We know how that worked out with North Korea. The whole Bibi speech is nothing but a "Bibi dissed Obama" thang to you, huh? If Iran gets nukes, there will be a nuclear arms race in the middle east....and all you are worried about is whether Obama is politically damaged politically in his last two years in office?
    The thing that annoys me the most about the Right is that there is never original or independent thought taking place. It is most apparent when talking points are repeated which have blatant or obvious flaws.
    The problem with this talking point is the same as the problem with most Right Wing talking points. It does a great job of creating drama and casting doubt, but it offers no feasible or workable solution.

    Suppose your redundant talking point is correct for a moment. OK... now what? What is your Israeli heroe's alternative plan? Does John Boehner have an alternative plan? Do John Boehner's cooperate masters have a plan?
    The only alternative plan that has been presented by the Right was presented by McCain over 7 years ago. "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."

    If Bibi had the balls to discuss the alternative possible plans, lets evaluate what they might be.

    If we withdraw from the current path towards negotiation, we will lose the Russians and Chinese for sanctions. It is a miracle that we have not lost Russia already due to the tensions over Ukraine.
    Sanctions have also never worked on Iran.
    These 2 facts combined make continued sanctions become completely worthless and unproductive.
    Furthermore, the Iranians are insulted by the sanctions and are even less likely to cooperate.

    There are 2 remaining options. Targeted attacks or a full out mass invasion.

    Targeted attacks have been downplayed as a viable option by all the experts for years. This is why Bush did not do it. They are not expected to work and would cause Iran to triple it's efforts and at the same time justify it's reason for wanting nuclear weapons.
    In addition to it not working in the long term, Iran has a sophisticated air defense and air force and the bombs needed must be dropped from aircraft, not merely guided missiles. Therefore, even for a small strike, we would have to first dominate Iran's air defense. That in itself could be a 30 to 60 day war.

    The only thing left is a full out mass invasion to have boots on the ground controlling the actual nuclear sites.
    We would win this war without a doubt. The cost would be great. We'd lose over 20,000 troops. We'd lose some ships and many aircraft.
    Iran would devastate the oil fields in Saudi Arabia and cripple the oil shipping ability for the entire Middle East.
    Iran would attack Israel and the entire Middle East would erupt in total chaos.

    None of that even matters though, because the American people are not about to sign off on a full Invasion of Iran.
    Just not gonna happen.

    And if it is simply not gonna happen regardless of who is running the Country... this means what?

    It means that all of this crap is political theater and that you had better hope that our President gets the best deal that he possibly can... because that is all we got.

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    The thing that annoys me the most about the Right is that there is never original or independent thought taking place. It is most apparent when talking points are repeated which have blatant or obvious flaws.
    The problem with this talking point is the same as the problem with most Right Wing talking points. It does a great job of creating drama and casting doubt, but it offers no feasible or workable solution.

    Big big yawn.

    Suppose your redundant talking point is correct for a moment. OK... now what? What is your Israeli heroe's alternative plan? Does John Boehner have an alternative plan? Do John Boehner's cooperate masters have a plan?
    The only alternative plan that has been presented by the Right was presented by McCain over 7 years ago. "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."
    Bigger yawn.



    If Bibi had the balls to discuss the alternative possible plans, lets evaluate what they might be.
    It's Obama that does not have the balls. You know it and I know it.

    If we withdraw from the current path towards negotiation, we will lose the Russians and Chinese for sanctions. It is a miracle that we have not lost Russia already due to the tensions over Ukraine.
    Sanctions have also never worked on Iran.
    These 2 facts combined make continued sanctions become completely worthless and unproductive.
    Furthermore, the Iranians are insulted by the sanctions and are even less likely to cooperate.
    There were sanctions in place that was slowly bankrupting Iran.....which is why they are negotiating to begin with. Many of those sanctions were suspended for the sake of the negotiations. Bad move.



    There are 2 remaining options. Targeted attacks or a full out mass invasion.

    Targeted attacks have been downplayed as a viable option by all the experts for years. This is why Bush did not do it. They are not expected to work and would cause Iran to triple it's efforts and at the same time justify it's reason for wanting nuclear weapons.
    In addition to it not working in the long term, Iran has a sophisticated air defense and air force and the bombs needed must be dropped from aircraft, not merely guided missiles. Therefore, even for a small strike, we would have to first dominate Iran's air defense. That in itself could be a 30 to 60 day war.

    The only thing left is a full out mass invasion to have boots on the ground controlling the actual nuclear sites.
    We would win this war without a doubt. The cost would be great. We'd lose over 20,000 troops. We'd lose some ships and many aircraft.
    Iran would devastate the oil fields in Saudi Arabia and cripple the oil shipping ability for the entire Middle East.
    Iran would attack Israel and the entire Middle East would erupt in total chaos.

    None of that even matters though, because the American people are not about to sign off on a full Invasion of Iran.
    Just not gonna happen.
    If we do not stop Iran from getting nukes "NOW", A ground invasion will come later, whether we like it or not. As for what we could do now......tightening the noose on sanctions can't hurt. If it comes to military options....I don't agree that it can only be done with a full onslaught ground invasion. Bunker buster bombs can take out the nuke sites if properly targeted and taking out their oil fields would cut off their means to continue down the nuke road. They would eventually get the point. I hope sanctions can work...however the alternative is: "Whatever it takes!" Otherwise 50 to 100 years into the future, the adults will be asking:"Why didn't they stop the Iranians from getting nukes when they could have?!

    And if it is simply not gonna happen regardless of who is running the Country... this means what? It means that all of this crap is political theater and that you had better hope that our President gets the best deal that he possibly can... because that is all we got.
    The real political theater is Obama sending Kerry over to negotiate with Iran for the sake a a deal....any deal on paper that he can point to in his so-called legacy claiming that he dealt with Iran's nuke program. Carter did the same in regards to North Korea. They were cheating on the deal before the ink on the signed agreement was dry....and they now have nukes. You don't think Iran will do the same? Obama is doing the political theater. Bibi is acting for the sake of Israel's survival. If Kerry gets a deal with Iran.....it could happen any day, weeks, or months. Bibi should not be expected to wait out the elections before acting.
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    The thing that annoys me the most about the Right is that there is never original or independent thought taking place. It is most apparent when talking points are repeated which have blatant or obvious flaws.
    The problem with this talking point is the same as the problem with most Right Wing talking points. It does a great job of creating drama and casting doubt, but it offers no feasible or workable solution.

    Suppose your redundant talking point is correct for a moment. OK... now what? What is your Israeli heroe's alternative plan? Does John Boehner have an alternative plan? Do John Boehner's cooperate masters have a plan?
    The only alternative plan that has been presented by the Right was presented by McCain over 7 years ago. "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran."

    If Bibi had the balls to discuss the alternative possible plans, lets evaluate what they might be.

    If we withdraw from the current path towards negotiation,
    we will lose the Russians and Chinese for sanctions. It is a miracle that we have not lost Russia already due to the tensions over Ukraine.
    Sanctions have also never worked on Iran.
    These 2 facts combined make continued sanctions become completely worthless and unproductive.
    Furthermore, the Iranians are insulted by the sanctions and are even less likely to cooperate.

    There are 2 remaining options. Targeted attacks or a full out mass invasion.

    Targeted attacks have been downplayed as a viable option by all the experts for years. This is why Bush did not do it. They are not expected to work and would cause Iran to triple it's efforts and at the same time justify it's reason for wanting nuclear weapons.
    In addition to it not working in the long term, Iran has a sophisticated air defense and air force and the bombs needed must be dropped from aircraft, not merely guided missiles. Therefore, even for a small strike, we would have to first dominate Iran's air defense. That in itself could be a 30 to 60 day war.

    The only thing left is a full out mass invasion to have boots on the ground controlling the actual nuclear sites.
    We would win this war without a doubt. The cost would be great. We'd lose over 20,000 troops. We'd lose some ships and many aircraft.
    Iran would devastate the oil fields in Saudi Arabia and cripple the oil shipping ability for the entire Middle East.
    Iran would attack Israel and the entire Middle East would erupt in total chaos.

    None of that even matters though, because the American people are not about to sign off on a full Invasion of Iran.
    Just not gonna happen.

    And if it is simply not gonna happen regardless of who is running the Country... this means what?

    It means that all of this crap is political theater and that you had better hope that our President gets the best deal that he possibly can... because that is all we got.
    Russia and China are not participating in sanctions against Iran.
    Sanctions brought Iran to the talks and then the sanctions were backed off and deadlines were moved.
    Was the rest of your post similarly skewed?
    Might explain what appears to be your overall POV.
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    You've made your loyalty very clear.

    Why, then, do you try to deceive readers into thinking that you care about the U.S. posting an American flag?




    America's interests are not Israel's interests just as Israel has attacked US installations & killed Americans to drag the US into fighting Israel's wars beginning with the Lavon Affaire & including subsequent attacks:

    “U.S.S. COLE ATTACKED BY ISRAEL”
    http://perieci.meneyung.com/.cache/uss-cole-i...



    “Beirut Marine bombing was Mossad False Flag*Operation”
    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/09...lag-operation/



    “CSI Forensics Proves Who Killed US Marines”*
    CSI Forensics Proves Who Killed US Marines » David Icke...


    "Israel Charged with Systematic Harassment of U.S. Marines"
    Israel Charged with Systematic Harassment of U.S. Marines

    etc, etc

    I can easily cite other attacks & additional sources since you'll try to avoid an honest rebuttal by attacking the sources I cited as not having C.A.M.E.R.A.'S imprimatur



    Maybe it's time to post a flag more in keeping with your loyalties

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