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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

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    Well, I am using American sources and I trust them.
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

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    You're too obtuse.
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

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    Oh it makes lots of sense... the anti semites are all in the Dem party today..
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I have a different take on the OP quotes of:

    "The nationwide poll, released Tuesday, shows 63% of Americans say it was a bad move for congressional leadership to extend the invitation without giving President Barack Obama a heads up that it was coming. Only 33% say it was the right thing to do."

    The poll only says 63% say it was a bad move to invite without giving the President a heads up. It does not say it was bad move to invite Netanyahu to speak.

    One needs to really look close at how poll questions are asked and how summaries are written.
    Let us not split hairs. Boehner and the Republicans dislike this president so much they would do anything to spite and humiliate President Obama. Netanyahu was glad to participate because there are strained relations between the Israeli PM and President Obama. Heck, not too many people like the current Israeli PM. The former French President Nicolas Sarkozy, called Netanyahu a liar and said he could not stand him....this was caught on a hot mike when the two presidents, Obama and Sarkozy, were talking privately at the G20 summit at Cannes. Netanyahu is running for reelection and will use any political stratagem there is to promote himself and screw the consequences. Discerning Americans see what is happening. Not all Americans are low-information voters.

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Atiya View Post
    It's called rules of Protocol. The PM's visit to the US congress is a rebuke to the President of the US and is attempting to undermine the US foreign policy which the Israeli leader doesn't like. It is a serious breach of protocol and John Boehner knows this along with the Israel PM who thinks he's safe because there is a barrier between the Republican Party and the Democrats headed by Obama.

    Below is an article highlighting this breach of protocol by Boehner and Netanyahu. The Israeli leader knew full well what he was doing, but his actions said "screw Obama."

    Benjamin Netanyahu addressing Congress: His willingness to play politics with U.S.-Israeli relations is revolting and dangerous.
    Puhleeze! Obama and demo's have killed protocol long ago....

    "Yeah, again, it’s awfully late in the day to be complaining about hubris and comity inside Congress. The only reason Obama gets away with his far more hubristic encroachments on legislative power is because congressional Democrats are happy to back him up. For Pelosi’s caucus, partisan interests trump constitutional and institutional ones. Boehner deciding not to run an invite past her before announcing it is the mildest possible rebuke to that sort of betrayal. And that’s just the House: You know all about how Harry Reid locked Republicans out of the amendment process in the Senate, then turned around and blew up their filibuster for presidential appointees. There is no “protocol” after partisan aggression like that. I’m amazed Pelosi could suggest there is with a straight face.

    Let’s hope the Netanyahu invitation is just the first of many, then. One minor but symbolic way that Boehner can strike back at Obama’s executive overreach is to invite various western leaders to speak whose own policies align more with Congress’s than the White House’s. First invitee, obviously, should be Stephen Harper to discuss the benefits of building the Keystone pipeline. Next invite goes to French prime minister Manuel Valls, who declared war on an enemy that our own leaders are now afraid to name. Third invite could go to Iraqi prime minister Haider al-Abadi, who’ll have an interesting view, I’ll bet, on whether Obama was right in the SOTU that we’re making gains against ISIS in Syria. If Boehner can’t stop Obama from blowing up separation of powers, he could at least invite foreign dignitaries to reality-check him.

    Oh, incidentally, Obama’s refusing to meet with Netanyahu during his visit, ostensibly for the same reason Pelosi gave, i.e. that a presidential audience so soon before Israel’s elections might affect the outcome. Laying aside the fact that, as Noah says, being shunned by O is far more likely to help Netanyahu back home than doing a photo op with him would be, where did they get the idea that we don’t meddle in Israel’s elections? We do it all the time."

    Democrats whine: Boehner broke with protocol by inviting Netanyahu without telling Obama first « Hot Air

    As for Pelosi, and other demo's whining about this consider in 2007 when pelosi went to Syria against the wishes of the Bush administration....


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    "Pelosi's visitor list may have been made in consultation with the White House, but in April 2007, she went to Syria for a meeting with Despot/ President Bashar al-Assad, ignoring the very public objections of the Bush Administration. Even worse, she attempted to negotiate for the U.S. without administration approval and she attempted to negotiate for Israel without the knowledge of then-Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

    At the time of her visit, a Washington Post editorial blasted her:

    After a meeting with Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad in Damascus, Ms. Pelosi announced that she had delivered a message from Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that "Israel was ready to engage in peace talks" with Syria. What's more, she added, Mr. Assad was ready to "resume the peace process" as well. Having announced this seeming diplomatic breakthrough, Ms. Pelosi suggested that her Kissingerian shuttle diplomacy was just getting started. "We expressed our interest in using our good offices in promoting peace between Israel and Syria," she said.

    Only one problem: The Israeli prime minister entrusted Ms. Pelosi with no such message. "What was communicated to the U.S. House Speaker does not contain any change in the policies of Israel," said a statement quickly issued by the prime minister's office. In fact, Mr. Olmert told Ms. Pelosi that "a number of Senate and House members who recently visited Damascus received the impression that despite the declarations of Bashar Assad, there is no change in the position of his country regarding a possible peace process with Israel." In other words, Ms. Pelosi not only misrepresented Israel's position but was virtually alone in failing to discern that Mr. Assad's words were mere propaganda."

    Pelosi (Who Visited Syria's Assad In 2007 Despite WH Objections) Blasts Boehner's Bibi Invite | Truth Revolt

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Atiya View Post
    Let us not split hairs. Boehner and the Republicans dislike this president so much they would do anything to spite and humiliate President Obama. Netanyahu was glad to participate because there are strained relations between the Israeli PM and President Obama. Heck, not too many people like the current Israeli PM. The former French President Nicolas Sarkozy, called Netanyahu a liar and said he could not stand him....this was caught on a hot mike when the two presidents, Obama and Sarkozy, were talking privately at the G20 summit at Cannes. Netanyahu is running for reelection and will use any political stratagem there is to promote himself and screw the consequences. Discerning Americans see what is happening. Not all Americans are low-information voters.
    Yes, informed voters know what is going on in Washington.

    Let me ask you this. Based on the quote. "The nationwide poll, released Tuesday, shows 63% of Americans say it was a bad move for congressional leadership to extend the invitation without giving President Barack Obama a heads up that it was coming. Only 33% say it was the right thing to do."

    IF Boehner and Congress informed the President before extending the invention, would 63% of Americans still say it was a bad move to have the Israeli PM speak?

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, another plan. And how's that coming along?

    It's hard to believe how easily the Europeans are propagandized despite being victims of it for the past hundred years. Have you all learned nothing??

    Obama abandons missile defence shield in Europe | US news | The Guardian
    I have learned a lot, Europe has learned a lot, nobody in Europe (or most in Europe) were not convinced of the need for a defense missile shield. And it is going fine thank you.
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Atiya View Post
    Let us not split hairs. Boehner and the Republicans dislike this president so much they would do anything to spite and humiliate President Obama. Netanyahu was glad to participate because there are strained relations between the Israeli PM and President Obama. Heck, not too many people like the current Israeli PM. The former French President Nicolas Sarkozy, called Netanyahu a liar and said he could not stand him....this was caught on a hot mike when the two presidents, Obama and Sarkozy, were talking privately at the G20 summit at Cannes. Netanyahu is running for reelection and will use any political stratagem there is to promote himself and screw the consequences. Discerning Americans see what is happening. Not all Americans are low-information voters.
    Oh nonsense.

    EVERY President has to work with a oppositional Congress. Bush did, Clinton did, Reagan did. Clinton had to work with Newt Gingrich and got some positive things accomplished.

    The difference between Obama and the rest is Obama is a ideologue, not a leader. This lame excuse that the GOP is being mean to him and stopping him from fixing our economy is just baseless. As far as the GOP Congress inviting Netanyahu, they have every right.

    It's not their fault Obama is anti-Israel and dislikes Netanyahu. Obama supports Israel so much he publicly called for them to return to their 1967 border. Yea. how supportive.
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    As I said, repeating that nonsense doesn't make it true. This is not Never Never Land, where Tinkerbell dies if you don't clap harder. No amount of clapping is going to make that meme NOT complete BS.
    Kobie, you seem like you do a lot of clapping. Am I wrong?

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