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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Atiya View Post
    Yes, it is indeed a serious breach of protocol. Israel is a client state and should not be deliberatly participating in some political stratagem to try and undercut the president of the US. We have always had people in Israel lobbying on behalf of the US against the Likud. Look, Israel has AIPAC and many other well-cushioned Jewish-American organization fighting in America on behalf of Israel, the size of New Jersey. The US in Israel proper is merely trying to protect America's interest. One of Likud's members leaked to the press that "Obama won't be in power long" which meant in two years when Obama's term is up, the Republicans who would put Israel before America, their own country, will then be able to allow Israel more of a free hand but only if there is a Republican president.
    wrong.. this has already been discussed.. this is a turmped up Protocal issue .

    is tapping Merkals phone "proper Protcal"?

    Obama is a disease

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    not exactly.. but there is not enough Jews as part of the population to sway a vote..
    Last I saw nearly 3/4 of all Jewish voters voted for Obama
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Last I saw nearly 3/4 of all Jewish voters voted for Obama
    show me a link.. show me one from 2012...

    the Jews I know hate him...who wouldnt?

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    not one person on the earth ever felt GWB or any Bush was not a friend of the Jewish people ..

    I dont know too many Jews who have anything but disdain for Obama and his inner circle of scum..
    It's because you exist in a right wing bubble. You shouldn't assume those outside the bubble feel as you do.

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    They are secular, essentially only ethnic Jews. Practicing Jews not so much.
    So only about 20% of Jews are practicing Jews? That's pretty much the % that voted Republican. Also, where are you getting your information or is this just fabricated since reality doesn't mesh with your narrative?
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    show me a link.. show me one from 2012...

    the Jews I know hate him...who wouldnt?
    Jewish Voting Record in U.S. Presidential Elections | Jewish Virtual Library

    69% in 2012 and 78% in 2008.
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You said this: "why should Netanyahu care any more about President Obama than Obama has demonstrated he cares about Netanyahu?"

    You've invented a number of straw men there, but the point was fairly simple and not really arguable - the U.S. - Israel relationship isn't one of equals or approximate equals. One of them depends on the other for its continued safety and security and the other simply does NOT.
    So it is your opinion that we should use the very real threat against Israel as leverage ... against Israel? Do you realize how f-ed up that is to say about an Ally?

    Obama and Kerry's obligation is also to serve the interests of the U.S.A - not Israel. If those goals conflict, they have a Constitutional duty to act in our interests, not those of Israel. So it's the Israelis' job to convince Obama that the Iranian negotiations aren't in OUR interest as well as that of Israel, not the other way around.
    Hence the reason why Obama snubs Netanyahu and throws a hissy fit when he is coming to give a speech in the US... it's really hard to avoid Netanyahu's argument when the he won't respond to commands to shut up.

    And what a lot of very pro-Israeli commentators have repeatedly pointed out is that picking a public fight with the person you're asking for a favor isn't generally considered a winning strategy.
    Obama is the one picking a fight here. After bypassing Congress repeatedly with major policy changes he really looks like a petulant child by complaining that he wasn't given enough advanced notice for a Congressional speech.
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Looks like the vote liberal... but even they recognize Obama is rancid and have moved away from Barry Hussein Obama...

    I will bet it will keep sliding away from the Dems..

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    Looks like the vote liberal... but even they recognize Obama is rancid and have moved away from Barry Hussein Obama...

    I will bet it will keep sliding away from the Dems..
    So 70% of the population is moving away? It fluctuates but that's still a very high majority of the population.
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I don't understand your question. A better question is what can Israel do against Iran without current and ongoing U.S. support. Almost nothing seems to me the approximate answer.
    Hah, it is a very simple question. You said that Israel has everything to lose if the US is no longer an ally. My questions is what you think they will lose.

    You answered this question in your last post though. You know as well as I that without US support the Israeli state is destroyed... and you want to use that as leverage with Israel.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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