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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    not one person on the earth ever felt GWB or any Bush was not a friend of the Jewish people ..

    I dont know too many Jews who have anything but disdain for Obama and his inner circle of scum..

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    not one person on the earth ever felt GWB or any Bush was not a friend of the Jewish people ..

    I dont know too many Jews who have anything but disdain for Obama and his inner circle of scum..
    Weird since Jewish voters overwhelmingly voted for him twice.
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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Oh, I think the Democrats and Obama have a lot to lose by abandoning Israel.

    But I do appreciate your honest admission of the diplomacy at play in the pro-Obama camp. It's funny how the pro-Obama folks suddenly start sounding so incredibly imperialistic when they talk about Israel..

    For Iran they are willing to address the supposed needs of the Iranian state (which are all lies), for Israel it is "HEEL! Fetch! Roll Over!".
    You said this: "why should Netanyahu care any more about President Obama than Obama has demonstrated he cares about Netanyahu?"

    You've invented a number of straw men there, but the point was fairly simple and not really arguable - the U.S. - Israel relationship isn't one of equals or approximate equals. One of them depends on the other for its continued safety and security and the other simply does NOT.

    Obama and Kerry's obligation is also to serve the interests of the U.S.A - not Israel. If those goals conflict, they have a Constitutional duty to act in our interests, not those of Israel. So it's the Israelis' job to convince Obama that the Iranian negotiations aren't in OUR interest as well as that of Israel, not the other way around. And what a lot of very pro-Israeli commentators have repeatedly pointed out is that picking a public fight with the person you're asking for a favor isn't generally considered a winning strategy.

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You said this: "why should Netanyahu care any more about President Obama than Obama has demonstrated he cares about Netanyahu?"

    You've invented a number of straw men there, but the point was fairly simple and not really arguable - the U.S. - Israel relationship isn't one of equals or approximate equals. One of them depends on the other for its continued safety and security and the other simply does NOT.

    Obama and Kerry's obligation is also to serve the interests of the U.S.A - not Israel. If those goals conflict, they have a Constitutional duty to act in our interests, not those of Israel. So it's the Israelis' job to convince Obama that the Iranian negotiations aren't in OUR interest as well as that of Israel, not the other way around. And what a lot of very pro-Israeli commentators have repeatedly pointed out is that picking a public fight with the person you're asking for a favor isn't generally considered a winning strategy.
    so security pacts with allies is "inconvienient"...

    Obama is a disgrace.. our allies know to never trust him

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    Its not even a breach of protocoltocal.. whos buyin?

    does Obama have feet on the ground in Israel trying to defeat Bibi?.. isa thatr "proper protocal"..
    Yes, it is indeed a serious breach of protocol. Israel is a client state and should not be deliberatly participating in some political stratagem to try and undercut the president of the US. We have always had people in Israel lobbying on behalf of the US against the Likud. Look, Israel has AIPAC and many other well-cushioned Jewish-American organization fighting in America on behalf of Israel, the size of New Jersey. The US in Israel proper is merely trying to protect America's interest. One of Likud's members leaked to the press that "Obama won't be in power long" which meant in two years when Obama's term is up, the Republicans who would put Israel before America, their own country, will then be able to allow Israel more of a free hand but only if there is a Republican president.

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    Oh it makes lots of sense... the anti semites are all in the Dem party today..
    The shameful racism of the democrat party continues even to the present day.

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Weird since Jewish voters overwhelmingly voted for him twice.

    not exactly.. but there is not enough Jews as part of the population to sway a vote..

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Weird since Jewish voters overwhelmingly voted for him twice.
    They are secular, essentially only ethnic Jews. Practicing Jews not so much.

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The shameful racism of the democrat party continues even to the present day.
    they dont even try to hide it anymore.. they just keep trying to lie and say they are not..

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    Re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So, out of curiosity, what do you think Israel has to lose if it loses US support?
    I don't understand your question. A better question is what can Israel do against Iran without current and ongoing U.S. support. Almost nothing seems to me the approximate answer.

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