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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    From your link.

    Even friends of Israel, like the Post’s Richard Cohen, were appalled. Cohen excoriated Netanyahu for accepting the Boehner’s invitation “without informing the White House,” a sign of Netanyahu’s “impetuousness and contempt” for President Obama.
    Of course, that is before the article goes on to point out that that narrative pushed by the White House isn't actually true.
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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Some Jews willingly helped the Nazis, too. One of HAMAS' lawyers I used to hear singing that group's praises was a Jew. To paraphrase President Kennedy, "There's always some poor bastard who doesn't get the word." I've heard quite a few Jewish commentators express their amazement that any Jew could ever support a damned lying anti-Semite like B. Hussein Obama, who stabs Israel in the back every chance he gets.

    Part of being a good leftist, like Obama's ex-PLO buddy Rashid Khalidi, is holding out the crying towel for the filthy Islamic jihadists in Gaza and the West Bank--even though these bastards will never agree to live in peace with Israel under any circumstances. They should thank their God that Israel is a civilized, tolerant nation, and not the satanic Zionist entity their propaganda claims. If it really were, it would long since have solved "the Palestinian problem" permanently--by killing them all.


    You are going to have to supply proof of that.
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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Aw Bull..This is a manufactured outrage in the first place....

    "The story of Netanyahu’s perfidy grew to the extent that the New York Times reported, incorrectly, that Netanyahu accepted the invitation before the White House had been informed of it. The Times then issue the following correction. “An earlier version of this article misstated when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel accepted Speaker John A. Boehner’s invitation to address Congress. He accepted after the administration had been informed of the invitation, not before.”

    This correction has circulated in conservative and pro-Israel circles, but doesn’t seem to have led to any followup, or any investigation by those who initially reported the opposite. Were senior White House aides exaggerating the story, or did the Times get caught up in its own anti-Netanyahu narrative? Or perhaps the Times was failing to distinguish between Netanyahu’s formal acceptance after the White House had been notified, and White House anger that the details of the visit had been worked out before notification to the White House, meaning that Netanyahu was planning to accept the invitation before the White House knew about it.

    All this raises the issue of why the Obama Administration chose to turn this incident into a diplomatic brouhaha. On the one hand, a foreign leader planning a visit without prior coordination with the State Department is surely unusual. On the other hand, over at American Thinker, Ed Lasky notes that a visit like this is not exactly unprecedented: “In 2011, Boehner sent a notice to the WH stating his intention to invite Netanyahu to speak before a joint session of Congress. The White House never responded (spite? incompetence?) and Boehner proceeded to extend the invitation to Netanyahu. Netanyahu accepted the invitation and spoke. The White House did not express any outrage in 2011.” The invitation letter, meanwhile, said the invitation was “on behalf of the the bipartisan leadership of the US House and US Senate”, suggesting that the Israelis may have been misinformed regarding the extent to which the Democratic Congressional leadership was on board (and if they were on board, surely the White House would have known about it).

    When informed of Boehner’s invitation, the White House publicly took a “wait and see” attitude, rather than announcing its opposition. According to Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer, once the White House knew about the invitation, the Israeli government (contra Cohen and others) was in contact with U.S. government officials, in both Washington and Jerusalem. It doesn’t appear that the White House conveyed to Netanyahu that the president expected him to decline the invitation.

    So we have two different narratives here. The Israeli narrative is that Boehner, on behalf of a bipartisan Congress (as the Israelis claim they sincerely believed), invited Netanyahu to address a joint session of Congress. Netanyahu had done so before under similar circumstances, without White House objection. The invitation had been conveyed informally to Netanyahu weeks before it was publicly announced, and the Israelis figured, based on what Boehner himself told them, that it was Boehner’s job to decide when and how inform the White House that a formal invitation was pending. Once Boehner did so, Netanyahu having heard no objection from the White House beyond concern that the invitation had breached diplomatic protocol (which would seem to be primarily Boehner’s sin), went ahead and accepted it."

    Did the Obama Administration lie about Netanyahu? (Updated and revised) - The Washington Post

    It's a non story, one that the WH manufactured, and you fell right in line with the faux outrage....Congrats.
    That was before Netty spanked Obama over the 1967 borders issue.

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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Of course, that is before the article goes on to point out that that narrative pushed by the White House isn't actually true.
    Splitting hairs. From the Speaker's own timeline:

    The process of inviting the Prime Minister was a coordinated effort between Speaker Boehner’s office and Senate Majority Leader McConnell’s office. Discussions began on the staff level late last year.

    On January 8, Speaker Boehner called Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer to gauge the Prime Minister’s interest in an invitation – and we were informed that the Prime Minister was open in principle to an invitation. The Speaker made it clear that it was his prerogative to inform the White House. We then went about identifying potential dates for an address.

    On the afternoon of January 20, the day of the State of the Union, we informed Ambassador Dermer of our intent to issue the invitation and our intent to notify the administration of the invitation. He accepted and acknowledged our intent to do so.

    On the morning of January 21, after notifying the administration, the Speaker issued the invitation to the Prime Minister and announced it to the public.

    - See more at: Background on Invitation to Prime Minister Netanyahu | Speaker.gov
    So after weeks of negotiation between the Speaker and Israel, after all the details had been worked out and agreed to by the PM, but at least 1 minute before the official invitation was issued, then accepted, the WH was made aware of this already done deal.....

    Boehner, and Dermer, and Netanyahu all knew exactly what they were doing - which was an intentional snub of the WH. The parties should at least be man enough to admit what's obvious to everyone.

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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yeah I really don't see why Congress thought it was appropriate to bring in the guy in the middle of an election. We should try to stay out of the democratic process of other nations as much as possible.
    Yea, other than the fact that we have election people over there pandering for the other guy. But, hey. Lets stay out of it.

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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You are going to have to supply proof of that.
    I thought it was pretty well known. There was a great deal of collaboration in various places. Thousands of men who were at least part Jewish even served in the Third Reich's military, as this book documents:

    Hitler's Jewish Soldiers

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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, other than the fact that we have election people over there pandering for the other guy. But, hey. Lets stay out of it.
    Who are these "election people?" Consultants and the like?

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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I thought it was pretty well known. There was a great deal of collaboration in various places. Thousands of men who were at least part Jewish even served in the Third Reich's military, as this book documents:

    Hitler's Jewish Soldiers
    Right


    A book by a nobody..

    People believe what they want to believe

    and an ad for a book of questionable pedigree is the furthest thing from proof imaginable.


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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Who are these "election people?" Consultants and the like?
    American advisers, money shape Israel's election

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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Right, but the "we should stay out of elections" advice is meant to apply to sitting U.S. elected or appointed officials - representatives of the U.S. government - not private campaign consultants, lobbyists, op-ed writers, etc. Apples and giraffes...

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