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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Wonder if that includes the Jews themselves, the bulk of whom identify liberal.
    Some Jews willingly helped the Nazis, too. One of HAMAS' lawyers I used to hear singing that group's praises was a Jew. To paraphrase President Kennedy, "There's always some poor bastard who doesn't get the word." I've heard quite a few Jewish commentators express their amazement that any Jew could ever support a damned lying anti-Semite like B. Hussein Obama, who stabs Israel in the back every chance he gets.

    Part of being a good leftist, like Obama's ex-PLO buddy Rashid Khalidi, is holding out the crying towel for the filthy Islamic jihadists in Gaza and the West Bank--even though these bastards will never agree to live in peace with Israel under any circumstances. They should thank their God that Israel is a civilized, tolerant nation, and not the satanic Zionist entity their propaganda claims. If it really were, it would long since have solved "the Palestinian problem" permanently--by killing them all.

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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]



    I didn't read them all, but most of your links seem to agree with my previous post that a majority of US Jews belong to a Jewish religious denomination (93% for older Jews and 68% for younger Jews - Pew poll) and that Israel is not at the top of their priorities...and they want a two state solution. Again, being secular in politics doesn't mean they don't practice their religious belief and culture.

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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I didn't read them all, but most of your links seem to agree with my previous post that a majority of US Jews belong to a Jewish religious denomination (93% for older Jews and 68% for younger Jews - Pew poll) and that Israel is not at the top of their priorities...and they want a two state solution. Again, being secular in politics doesn't mean they don't practice their religious belief and culture.
    I didn't say secular in politics, I said secular in general.

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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I didn't say secular in politics, I said secular in general.
    I said secular in politics....several times in fact. That's the point that you keep missing.

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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    In the context of this thread, the constitution gives the president the clear upper hand on foreign policy. And as such should be consulted before actions are taken. It's not a permission thing as much as a procedural thing. Who doesn't know that JB was giving Obama the gaff on this.
    Aw Bull..This is a manufactured outrage in the first place....

    "The story of Netanyahu’s perfidy grew to the extent that the New York Times reported, incorrectly, that Netanyahu accepted the invitation before the White House had been informed of it. The Times then issue the following correction. “An earlier version of this article misstated when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel accepted Speaker John A. Boehner’s invitation to address Congress. He accepted after the administration had been informed of the invitation, not before.”

    This correction has circulated in conservative and pro-Israel circles, but doesn’t seem to have led to any followup, or any investigation by those who initially reported the opposite. Were senior White House aides exaggerating the story, or did the Times get caught up in its own anti-Netanyahu narrative? Or perhaps the Times was failing to distinguish between Netanyahu’s formal acceptance after the White House had been notified, and White House anger that the details of the visit had been worked out before notification to the White House, meaning that Netanyahu was planning to accept the invitation before the White House knew about it.

    All this raises the issue of why the Obama Administration chose to turn this incident into a diplomatic brouhaha. On the one hand, a foreign leader planning a visit without prior coordination with the State Department is surely unusual. On the other hand, over at American Thinker, Ed Lasky notes that a visit like this is not exactly unprecedented: “In 2011, Boehner sent a notice to the WH stating his intention to invite Netanyahu to speak before a joint session of Congress. The White House never responded (spite? incompetence?) and Boehner proceeded to extend the invitation to Netanyahu. Netanyahu accepted the invitation and spoke. The White House did not express any outrage in 2011.” The invitation letter, meanwhile, said the invitation was “on behalf of the the bipartisan leadership of the US House and US Senate”, suggesting that the Israelis may have been misinformed regarding the extent to which the Democratic Congressional leadership was on board (and if they were on board, surely the White House would have known about it).

    When informed of Boehner’s invitation, the White House publicly took a “wait and see” attitude, rather than announcing its opposition. According to Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer, once the White House knew about the invitation, the Israeli government (contra Cohen and others) was in contact with U.S. government officials, in both Washington and Jerusalem. It doesn’t appear that the White House conveyed to Netanyahu that the president expected him to decline the invitation.

    So we have two different narratives here. The Israeli narrative is that Boehner, on behalf of a bipartisan Congress (as the Israelis claim they sincerely believed), invited Netanyahu to address a joint session of Congress. Netanyahu had done so before under similar circumstances, without White House objection. The invitation had been conveyed informally to Netanyahu weeks before it was publicly announced, and the Israelis figured, based on what Boehner himself told them, that it was Boehner’s job to decide when and how inform the White House that a formal invitation was pending. Once Boehner did so, Netanyahu having heard no objection from the White House beyond concern that the invitation had breached diplomatic protocol (which would seem to be primarily Boehner’s sin), went ahead and accepted it."

    Did the Obama Administration lie about Netanyahu? (Updated and revised) - The Washington Post

    It's a non story, one that the WH manufactured, and you fell right in line with the faux outrage....Congrats.
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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Aw Bull..This is a manufactured outrage in the first place....

    "The story of Netanyahu’s perfidy grew to the extent that the New York Times reported, incorrectly, that Netanyahu accepted the invitation before the White House had been informed of it. The Times then issue the following correction. “An earlier version of this article misstated when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel accepted Speaker John A. Boehner’s invitation to address Congress. He accepted after the administration had been informed of the invitation, not before.”

    This correction has circulated in conservative and pro-Israel circles, but doesn’t seem to have led to any followup, or any investigation by those who initially reported the opposite. Were senior White House aides exaggerating the story, or did the Times get caught up in its own anti-Netanyahu narrative? Or perhaps the Times was failing to distinguish between Netanyahu’s formal acceptance after the White House had been notified, and White House anger that the details of the visit had been worked out before notification to the White House, meaning that Netanyahu was planning to accept the invitation before the White House knew about it.

    All this raises the issue of why the Obama Administration chose to turn this incident into a diplomatic brouhaha. On the one hand, a foreign leader planning a visit without prior coordination with the State Department is surely unusual. On the other hand, over at American Thinker, Ed Lasky notes that a visit like this is not exactly unprecedented: “In 2011, Boehner sent a notice to the WH stating his intention to invite Netanyahu to speak before a joint session of Congress. The White House never responded (spite? incompetence?) and Boehner proceeded to extend the invitation to Netanyahu. Netanyahu accepted the invitation and spoke. The White House did not express any outrage in 2011.” The invitation letter, meanwhile, said the invitation was “on behalf of the the bipartisan leadership of the US House and US Senate”, suggesting that the Israelis may have been misinformed regarding the extent to which the Democratic Congressional leadership was on board (and if they were on board, surely the White House would have known about it).

    When informed of Boehner’s invitation, the White House publicly took a “wait and see” attitude, rather than announcing its opposition. According to Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer, once the White House knew about the invitation, the Israeli government (contra Cohen and others) was in contact with U.S. government officials, in both Washington and Jerusalem. It doesn’t appear that the White House conveyed to Netanyahu that the president expected him to decline the invitation.

    So we have two different narratives here. The Israeli narrative is that Boehner, on behalf of a bipartisan Congress (as the Israelis claim they sincerely believed), invited Netanyahu to address a joint session of Congress. Netanyahu had done so before under similar circumstances, without White House objection. The invitation had been conveyed informally to Netanyahu weeks before it was publicly announced, and the Israelis figured, based on what Boehner himself told them, that it was Boehner’s job to decide when and how inform the White House that a formal invitation was pending. Once Boehner did so, Netanyahu having heard no objection from the White House beyond concern that the invitation had breached diplomatic protocol (which would seem to be primarily Boehner’s sin), went ahead and accepted it."

    Did the Obama Administration lie about Netanyahu? (Updated and revised) - The Washington Post

    It's a non story, one that the WH manufactured, and you fell right in line with the faux outrage....Congrats.
    From your link.

    Even friends of Israel, like the Post’s Richard Cohen, were appalled. Cohen excoriated Netanyahu for accepting the Boehner’s invitation “without informing the White House,” a sign of Netanyahu’s “impetuousness and contempt” for President Obama.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Most leftists are strongly anti-Semitic--B. Hussein Obama is a good example. They say it's Israel they don't like, to try to cover their animosity toward Jews in general.
    Why, when Israel does wrong and continue to occupy Palestinian land, shoot the Palestinians as if they were vermin, with the settlers putting sugar in Palestinians' cars, destroy their citrus trees, you and your ilk become hypersensitive, calling critics anti-Semitic? The entire world is against the way Israel treats the Palestinians. If you expect me to send roses to the Palestinian government currently run by Bibi Netanyahu, hell will freeze over first.

    The Israeli PM has no right whatsoever to insert himself into American politics; most Americans are against the political PM, Netanyahu, coming to this country to address our congress expressly dealing with a hot topic like Iran. President Obama is not going to allow Israel to dictate Israeli foreign policy during his administration and I applaud him!!!!. Now if a Republican president wins the Presidential office in 2016, then Israel can return to telling American presidents how to run foreign policy in the Middle East.
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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Atiya View Post
    Why, when Israel does wrong and continue to occupy Palestinian land, shoot the Palestiniansestinians as if they were vermin, with the settlers putting sugar in Palestinians' cars, destroy their citrus trees, you and your ilk become hypersensitive, calling critics anti-Semitic? The entire world is against the way Israel treats the Palestinians. If you expect me to send roses to the Palestinian government currently run by Bibi Netanyahu, hell will freeze over first.

    The Israeli PM has no right whatsoever to insert himself into American politics; most Americans are against the political PM, Netanyahu, coming to this country to address our congress expressly dealing with a hot topic like Iran. President Obama is not going to allow Israel to dictate Israeli foreign policy during his administration and I applaud him!!!!. Now if a Republican president wins the Presidential office in 2016, then Israel can return to telling American presidents how to run foreign policy in the Middle East.
    many people are against the PLO Hamas Charter...
    are you facile on it?

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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Atiya View Post
    Why, when Israel does wrong and continue to occupy Palestinian land, shoot the Palestiniansestinians as if they were vermin, with the settlers putting sugar in Palestinians' cars, destroy their citrus trees, you and your ilk become hypersensitive, calling critics anti-Semitic? The entire world is against the way Israel treats the Palestinians. If you expect me to send roses to the Palestinian government currently run by Bibi Netanyahu, hell will freeze over first.

    The Israeli PM has no right whatsoever to insert himself into American politics; most Americans are against the political PM, Netanyahu, coming to this country to address our congress expressly dealing with a hot topic like Iran. President Obama is not going to allow Israel to dictate Israeli foreign policy during his administration and I applaud him!!!!. Now if a Republican president wins the Presidential office in 2016, then Israel can return to telling American presidents how to run foreign policy in the Middle East.
    Despite the misleading title of the thread, "CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite" we know there will always be misinformed leftists getting involved about the Jews stealing Palestinian land.They're pathetic.

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    re: CNN/ORC poll: Majority of Americans oppose Netanyahu invite [W:218]

    Quote Originally Posted by Atiya View Post
    Why, when Israel does wrong
    ]

    I do not accept your premise. Israel has done nothing wrong.

    and continue to occupy Palestinian land
    There is no such thing as "Palestinian land." There is a region historically called Palestine. Most of its inhabitants traditionally have been Jews, although it is now largely Arab.

    shoot the Palestinians as if they were vermin
    There is no distinct nation whose people are "Palestinians." And every nation, including Israel, has the right to use force to defend its territory and its people. Vermin is an accurate description of Islamic jihadists, many of whom are operating in Gaza.

    with the settlers putting sugar in Palestinians' cars
    Which settler put sugar in whose car? Please give specific places and dates. Absent that, I assume you are just spreading propaganda.

    destroy their citrus trees
    If that happened, I'm sure there was a good reason for it. If jihadists were using a citrus orchard as cover from which to launch rockets at schoolyards in Israel, no one should be surprised if Israeli forces eliminate that cover.

    you and your ilk become hypersensitive, calling critics anti-Semitic?
    You and your ilk sound very much like you are trying to excuse violence by Islamic jihadist savages.

    The entire world is against the way Israel treats the Palestinians.
    I don't believe that is the case. And even if it were, I wouldn't give a damn. Death to any and all Palestinian Arabs who support Islamic jihadist violence, whether directed at Israel or any other nation.

    If you expect me to send roses to the Palestinian government currently run by Bibi Netanyahu, hell will freeze over first.
    What you send or don't send, to anyone, does not interest me.

    The Israeli PM has no right whatsoever to insert himself into American politics
    Prime Minister Netanyahu is doing no such thing. He is going to address Congress at the invitation of House Speaker Boehner.

    most Americans are against the political PM, Netanyahu, coming to this country to address our congress expressly dealing with a hot topic like Iran.
    I don't give two hoots in hell who is against it. I am strongly in favor of it, and I look forward to hearing him.

    President Obama is not going to allow Israel to dictate Israeli foreign policy during his administration and I applaud him!!!!.
    Good for you. B. Hussein Obama as a damned un-American liar who resents the United States and does not wish it well.

    Now if a Republican president wins the Presidential office in 2016, then Israel can return to telling American presidents how to run foreign policy in the Middle East.
    Israel can do whatever its government sees fit, whenever it sees fit to do it.

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