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    Re: DHS intelligence report warns of domestic right-wing terror threat

    DHS is the baby of politicians. Republican and Democrat alike.
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    Re: DHS intelligence report warns of domestic right-wing terror threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    So, let's get this straight, Rev...

    The Republican Party creates the Dept. of Homeland Security (so we're told) as the result of "actionable intelligence" that fell through the cracks by the FBI as per the 9/11 Commission Report (and other reports that came out from the media on this storyline before the Commission was held), Republican Congressmen go on and on about reports they've heard or read about Muslim terrorist attempting to sneak across the US/Mexico border, and now we have Republicans attempting to defund DHS strickty because they fear amnesty per the President's EO on immigration, and you don't see the possibility of terrorist coming across our borders nor a copy-cat ISIL sleeper cells awakening in the US similar to such as what took place on 9/11?

    It's not a matter of border security being relaxed, not really. It's about losing the ability to rapidly filter information from a single source (DHS) in a coordinated effort down from the federal level to the state, county and local law enforcement levels.
    Our borders have NEVER been secure, and as long as Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad were in power/control, there was no threat of the Islamic State. And FBI didn't just let things fall through the cracks, very useful intelligence was dismissed as unimportant. Incompetence is only the least legitimate criticism.
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    Re: DHS intelligence report warns of domestic right-wing terror threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Those two facts...no.

    The potential is there though. I am sure there are many factors to turn a person from a citizen to a domestic terrorist. Unfortunately, I only have my own intuition on determining those factors as I have no training in psychology.


    We've had more "terrorism" from trustifarian left wingers in black blok "anarchists" in silly anonymous masks than we have had from veterans.


    The "potential" is in everyone. DO we say "we should watch out for blacks, because black people commit crimes"? how is this different?
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    Re: DHS intelligence report warns of domestic right-wing terror threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Then why would you bring up ISIL? What do they have to do with "sovereign citizen nut jobs"?

    I will take a people fighting for individual freedom any day over Progressive Fascism.
    I am not the one who brought up ISIL. You did in post #16

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    Re: DHS intelligence report warns of domestic right-wing terror threat

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    We've had more "terrorism" from trustifarian left wingers in black blok "anarchists" in silly anonymous masks than we have had from veterans.


    The "potential" is in everyone. DO we say "we should watch out for blacks, because black people commit crimes"? how is this different?
    I think I see the point you are going with now. I will admit it has been flying over my head for our entire conversation.

    You are absolutely correct. We should not be targeting specific groups. I accept that is what DHS does, and like you (I believe) I don't think DHS should exists.

    With that said, I am more appalled that DHS would put out a list that points to the right (the people who could end up cutting their funding) and making them a target. Especially when there are greater threats from outside the US. It is the exact problem with our huge Federal system which has turned itself on its citizens.
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    Re: DHS intelligence report warns of domestic right-wing terror threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I think I see the point you are going with now. I will admit it has been flying over my head for our entire conversation.

    You are absolutely correct. We should not be targeting specific groups. I accept that is what DHS does, and like you (I believe) I don't think DHS should exists.

    With that said, I am more appalled that DHS would put out a list that points to the right (the people who could end up cutting their funding) and making them a target. Especially when there are greater threats from outside the US. It is the exact problem with our huge Federal system which has turned itself on its citizens.



    agreed, but it is suspect that once again, in a time of occupy movements, and police protests (some which I support), and the violence, looting, and "terrorism" (quotes as it's not terrorism, but whatever), the obama administration's DHS is singling out the right.


    It's regrettable politics
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    Re: DHS intelligence report warns of domestic right-wing terror threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I am not the one who brought up ISIL. You did in post #16
    You are making a connection from ISIS to Right Wing Religious Fundamentalists to Sovereign Citizen Nut Jobs. I didn't make that connection. I am making a distinction that they are in fact not the same.
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    Re: DHS intelligence report warns of domestic right-wing terror threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    You are making a connection from ISIS to Right Wing Religious Fundamentalists to Sovereign Citizen Nut Jobs. I didn't make that connection. I am making a distinction that they are in fact not the same.
    I was responding to your post in which you raised ISIL, not me. You are the one that thinks there is a difference between them and the right wing extremist. There is not. Muslim extremists are right wing fundamentalists. Even if that were not the case, all groups which wish to undermine the government with violence should be stopped. That is the government's job. It matters not whether they do it in the name of Allah, an oak tree, white pride, Baby Jesus, saving the planet, protecting their absurd notion of rights, or any other nonsensical reason they can come up with.

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    Re: DHS intelligence report warns of domestic right-wing terror threat

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    I was responding to your post in which you raised ISIL, not me. You are the one that thinks there is a difference between them and the right wing extremist. There is not. Muslim extremists are right wing fundamentalists. Even if that were not the case, all groups which wish to undermine the government with violence should be stopped. That is the government's job. It matters not whether they do it in the name of Allah, an oak tree, white pride, Baby Jesus, saving the planet, protecting their absurd notion of rights, or any other nonsensical reason they can come up with.


    You do know most "white power" groups today tend to have racial socialism, environmentalism, and other left wing ideologies as part of thier makeup. Many of them have been known to vote nader. true story.





    Comparing islamic "right wing" to american "right wing" is dishonest at best.
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: DHS intelligence report warns of domestic right-wing terror threat

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You do know most "white power" groups today tend to have racial socialism, environmentalism, and other left wing ideologies as part of thier makeup. Many of them have been known to vote nader. true story.

    The Green Party platform would be the natural place for nihilists/anarchists to hang their hats as it is the coercive version of libertarianism, though one would see more of that in Europe than the US.

    Comparing islamic "right wing" to american "right wing" is dishonest at best.
    No it is not. That you do not like the reality that fundamentalism is fundamentalism doesn't change what it is.

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