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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Here's what others are posting:

    "DAMN THAT TRAITOR GENERAL MacARTHUR FOR GIVING THE JAPANESE ADVANCE NOTICE THAT HE WAS GOING TO RETURN TO THE PHILLIPINES GIVING THEM ADVANCE NOTICE!!!"

    Stupid old guys fixed at ranting because that's the only thing they do.
    We have a different enemy here. Telling them when we are coming and what our troop strength will be gives them time to build a defensive structure where they shoot from behind civilians chained together as a human entrenchment. What do we do when their is 10 civilians surrounding every ISIS fighter?

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ironhorse View Post
    We have a different enemy here. Telling them when we are coming and what our troop strength will be gives them time to build a defensive structure where they shoot from behind civilians chained together as a human entrenchment. What do we do when their is 10 civilians surrounding every ISIS fighter?
    Same thing we've always done.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ironhorse View Post
    We have a different enemy here. Telling them when we are coming and what our troop strength will be gives them time to build a defensive structure where they shoot from behind civilians chained together as a human entrenchment. What do we do when their is 10 civilians surrounding every ISIS fighter?
    Mornin Ironhorse Its worse than that. But the only real reason to telegraph in detail is to get the word out to civilians.



    Still, the move bewildered some former top military commanders.

    “I was surprised to see them do this,” says retired Lt. Gen. David Barno, who served as commander of US forces in Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005. “It’s a little perplexing to me to go into the amount of detail and the timelines that they did.” It makes some sense, however, to reinforce US confidence in the Iraqi security forces as they move to retake the ground, he adds. And from a psychological warfare perspective, “It sends a message that they are taking back the city.” It might, for example, cause IS forces to converge on the city, drawing them away from fighting elsewhere. Or it could inspire them “to make a tactical withdrawal and go somewhere else, if they realize war is coming.” Analysts including Mr. Barno agree that there is slim chance of the latter scenario. More likely – and important: This could be an effort to avert civilian casualties by encouraging people to leave before the fierce fighting begins.

    The problem with telegraphing the plans to retake Mosul, however, is that it allows IS fighters to prepare. “That’s one of the downsides,” says Barno, who is now a distinguished practitioner in residence at American University’s School of International Service in Washington. IS forces will not stand and fight “in big chunks of 500 here and 1,000 there.” Instead, they will plant roadside bombs and set booby traps, using their capabilities “to make it a deadly place.” In the second battle of Fallujah, insurgent fighters set up Jersey barriers and rigged homes with explosives. Like Fallujah, Mosul is a large city of 1 million people, and any US-backed invasion with Iraqi troops will prove to be a “very tough urban fight,” says Dr. Mansoor, chair in military history at Ohio State University in Columbus.....snip~

    US outlines mission to retake Mosul from Islamic State. Why so public a plan?

    Yeah, notice how top military analysts state that it gives ISIS time to prepare. Thats even after having control of the city since last year. After hanging out and partying, running their slave ring, setting up cells, and garnering support from civvies.

    As you see kind of hard for some to Imagine, comprehend, and understand huh? Nothing to be concerned about at all according to the leftists here. Its par for the course, nothing new here.

    Other than 25k military troops trying to take a city of 1 Million.....with an embedded enemy.
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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Ironhorse Its worse than that. But the only real reason to telegraph in detail is to get the word out to civilians.



    Still, the move bewildered some former top military commanders.

    “I was surprised to see them do this,” says retired Lt. Gen. David Barno, who served as commander of US forces in Afghanistan from 2003 to 2005. “It’s a little perplexing to me to go into the amount of detail and the timelines that they did.” It makes some sense, however, to reinforce US confidence in the Iraqi security forces as they move to retake the ground, he adds. And from a psychological warfare perspective, “It sends a message that they are taking back the city.” It might, for example, cause IS forces to converge on the city, drawing them away from fighting elsewhere. Or it could inspire them “to make a tactical withdrawal and go somewhere else, if they realize war is coming.” Analysts including Mr. Barno agree that there is slim chance of the latter scenario. More likely – and important: This could be an effort to avert civilian casualties by encouraging people to leave before the fierce fighting begins.

    The problem with telegraphing the plans to retake Mosul, however, is that it allows IS fighters to prepare. “That’s one of the downsides,” says Barno, who is now a distinguished practitioner in residence at American University’s School of International Service in Washington. IS forces will not stand and fight “in big chunks of 500 here and 1,000 there.” Instead, they will plant roadside bombs and set booby traps, using their capabilities “to make it a deadly place.” In the second battle of Fallujah, insurgent fighters set up Jersey barriers and rigged homes with explosives. Like Fallujah, Mosul is a large city of 1 million people, and any US-backed invasion with Iraqi troops will prove to be a “very tough urban fight,” says Dr. Mansoor, chair in military history at Ohio State University in Columbus.....snip~

    US outlines mission to retake Mosul from Islamic State. Why so public a plan?
    It also puts ISIS in the position to say any civilian caught trying to leave will be burned alive. The old "forewarned for armed" thing. The Art of War is exactly opposite of what Obama is doing.

    "All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near."

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by ironhorse View Post
    It also puts ISIS in the position to say any civilian caught trying to leave will be burned alive. The old "forewarned for armed" thing. The Art of War is exactly opposite of what Obama is doing.

    "All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near."

    I would agree.....and it allows ISIS time to gather up important people and relatives of those Iraqi Officers and Politicians. What is amazing is.....that it was BO's own Team members that were stating it will take 3 years to train the Iraqis so they can take back Iraq.



    Pentagon: why training Iraqis to take on Islamic State will take '3 years, minimum'.....

    US general says needs include: assess and repair what the Iraqi troops actually have in their arsenal, rotate units out for training, and convince Sunni tribes to rejoin the fight.

    Washington — The US training of Iraqi security forces is proving to be a complicated job that is going to take “three years, minimum” to bear results, a top US general stressed this week.....snip~

    Pentagon: why training Iraqis to take on Islamic State will take '3 years, minimum' - CSMonitor.com

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    the Pentagon is pretty surprised at Centcom for releasing the information too... but don't let that get in your way.

    everybody is kinda freaked out.. except for Obama sychophants who have magically turned into military masterminds.
    The pentagon is surprised? Got a link to back that up?

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    If you think the Pentagon (skilled career military leaders who know that operational security and surprise are worth in the field) went and spilled the beans on that, rather than Obama (who doesn't know what the **** he's doing) directing them to spill the beans on that, well, how are your unicorns?
    Yeah Obama did it! LMAO!

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Was calling ISIS a "JV" team a diversion too?

    One more time! They are JV when they go up against actual well trained soldiers! It doesn't take much to annilhate unarmed civilians and cowardly Iraqis!

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    On who's orders did this "senior official with U.S. Central Command" do this? Not too many out rank a "senior official with U.S. Central Command".

    Violating operational security is a violation of some of the most basic and most fundamental precepts of military operations, needlessly putting troops and the mission at risk. No, I'm thinking this is a politically motivated decision, that has Obama's and / or the White House's finger prints all over that, as this is what they typically do: politics uber alles.
    Your thinking is motivated by what you want to believe and no interest in what really happened.

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    re: U.S. Announces Plan for Massive Counter-ISIS Attack [W:228]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    false.

    nobody divulged target lists , troop strengths, or unit compositions.

    servicemembers who do this open themselves up to prosecution under the UCMJ
    No one is doing that now either.

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